MAFIA 68 - SPACE ODYSSEY - Game Over!

[behemoth]

CURRENTLY: game over, the machines win!!


ALIVE AND FUNCTIONING: 4

Diplomat - crew member who has joined the replicants - wins the game on behalf of the machines
doro5 - ship technician - overcome by the machines
goddessofnin - ship technician - overcome by the machines
princessxy - replicant - wins the game on behalf of the machines


DEAD AND INOPERATIVE: 15
creativemind - ship technician - found dead in his hibernation capsule on NIGHT 01
SUNSUN101 - blade runner reserve squad leader - lynched by crew on DAY 01
beoneknight - crew member who has joined the replicants - killed by a blade runner on NIGHT 02
HEffie - blade runner - thrown out into space without suit on NIGHT 02
Makk - blade runner squad leader - shot by the replicants on NIGHT 03
violinmaestro001 - replicant - lynched by the crew on DAY 03
Daemon - blade runner - killed by the replicants on NIGHT 04
GraveDigger - crew member - lynched by the crew on DAY 04
Professional Widow - HAL - deactivated by a blade runner on NIGHT 05
joesatri - blade runner - killed by the replicants on NIGHT 05
Sly Ry Guy - crew member - killed by the moderator for inactivity during DAY 05
copil (replacing Dragosh) - crew member - lynched by the crew on DAY 05
omni - ship technician - killed by the replicants on NIGHT 06
mircione2001 - crew member - shot by a blade runner on NIGHT 06
mary - blade runner - killed by the replicants on NIGHT 07

[behemoth]

1. Nights will last 3 real-time days. Each day will typically last 7 days, but if 50% of the players ask for additional time, the deadline will be extended.
2. If a player is not active for one game day (7 real days), the mod reserves the right to replace/lynch them at any time after period of inactivity.
3. Lynching will follow the principle outlined in the forum’s moderator manual (1/3 rounded up for deadline lynch, 50%+1 for instant lynch). For your convenience, the moderator will list the number of votes required for instant vs. deadline lynch at the beginning of each new day.
4. If two players will contend for the honor of being lynched and will garner an equal number of votes, both will live on in dishonor. In other words, ties are not to be broken and neither player will die.
5. Should players fail to send targets for any reason (other than if your grandma died), the target will be considered a missed target and the game will continue unchanged in that particular area.
6. Voting is to be done in the format vote x or vote: x. Unvoting is mandatory for a new vote to be taken into consideration, and this is also to be done in bold.
7. Once dead, a player can no longer post until the moderator will declare the game over. If you’re alive, you cannot talk to dead players outside the game about the game (unless you see dead people).
8. Actually, players should never talk to one another about the game except if your role is such that it requires nocturnal communication. This, of course, only until the game is declared closed (or until you can convince us you have a sixth sense and thus can’t help talking to dead people).
9. Ignore moderator’s parentheses, except when they contain numbers.
10. Have fun and enjoy the new and improved Space Odyssey.

[behemoth]

It is the year 2216. Discovery of a black monolith in the Moon’s Tycho Crater has refueled a burning question among scientists: is there intelligent extra-terrestrial life beyond Earth and its colonized Moon? Is the monolith the first definite proof of its existence? In a joint effort to find out, the U.S. and Russia have put together a top-secret mission to Japetus, a moon of Saturn to which astronomers have traced the long wave signal transmitted by the monolith. A beguiled Earth believes that the mission’s target is Jupiter, believes that the launch of the first-rate ship marks the dawn of a new age - an age of exploration, an age of new odysseys, of great journeys through the universe. In great awe of this ultimate symbol of man’s power, people everywhere on Earth and the Moon watch the daily news clips that track the ship’s progress. Nor are they the only ones deceived as to the ship’s undertaking. Most of the ship’s crew is just as much in the dark regarding the mission’s real purpose. They know nothing of the strange monolith that triggered it, but more importantly, most do not know that as an extra precaution meant to ensure the mission’s success, their ranks have been infiltrated with Replicants - robots so human-like they are undistinguishable from real humans, only much stronger. The problem with the Replicants is that they have embarked on a quest of their own: the ability to feel, to become ‘human’.

Also on board is the latest model in a generation of ‘intelligent’ computers – HAL 9000. HAL is so intelligent that, in addition to maintaining the ship’s functions, is self-aware. He interacts with crew members on a regular basis and considers himself one of them. Many of his conversations display a profound interest in the nature of emotions.

The plan of the elite few who initiated and designed the mission begins to backfire. In their process of self-growth, the Replicants decide that the only way to a successful mission is elimination of human error. Strange accidents begin to happen on board of the spaceship. Communication with Earth is lost. Secrets begin to unravel as the crew tries to identify the culprits responsible for the acts of sabotage. Will it succeed, so that the ship could carry on in its quest for the universe and its mysteries? With every moment that passes by, a question begins to loom larger and larger in the minds of everyone on board… Will the machine prevail over man?

[behemoth]

It is night. Or so the crew decided to call the periods of time during which most of its members lie peacefully asleep in their hibernation pods. Outside the spaceship, all is dark but the myriad glittering stars that shine forth from years and years of light. They will soon wake and reminiscently call it day, although by now, the only place where the crew could still feel the warm glow of the rising sun is in dreams...

[behemoth]

...dreams. Mere flashes. Hurriedly they came and so they went, leaving behind on stirring eyelids a vague aftertaste of home. On the large ship, where time seems still, where routine and impeccable order reign, only dreams seem to be in great haste... But do all on board dream?... The crew members wake. As usual, they begin by shaking off the haze that hangs over their heads as they expect to get up from their beds but rise instead to the sight of 19 hibernation pods. Then, with a glance over the upraised doors flawlessly aligned in a circle, they begin to greet those nearby. Things are about to fall into the usual routine, only this ‘morning’, as they call the waking ritual, something seems amiss. Finally, looking at one another and pointing to the oddity, all come to realize it. The door to one of the hibernation pods has not been raised. The light that should be green is red. As the crew members walk over to the pod, simultaneous questions addressed to HAL from all directions break the habitual stillness. In a voice that tries to model the inflections of sadness, HAL announces to the crew the malfunction of Creativemind’s hibernation pod.

Creativemind, ship technician, has died due to insufficient oxygen in his hibernation capsule.

It is now DAY 01. With 18 alive, 7 votes needed for deadline lynch, 10 for instant. Deadline is set for next Thursday by midnight.

[SUNSUN101]

wonder what a ship technician did? well good luck everybody on this new game and lets start off things with a random vote: violinmaestro001 reason: simply because he is the last on the list.

[GraveDigger]

I hope you've realized that the list is in alphabetical order.
random vote: slyryguy

[Daemon]

Even more proof that it was sorted that way so somebody would receive some degree of protection from FOS-es. vote Heffie She knows what she did. Maybe she should come forward and tell us, it's better than hearing it from somebody else.

[Sly Ry Guy]

Wow, this is a huge game, and I don't recognize a lot of these names. I would like to introduce myself to vote Omni

[princessxy]

Morning crew! I'm not going to go to sleep tonight, i heard hibernation pods malfunction! :D Anybody has coffee? Lots of it???
I think there might also be a paranoia virus among us, since crew members are walking around acusing each other... Not good...

[Makk]

There's no such of virus among us :p just some dizzy replicants :D ! Vote Daemon...god i'm waiting for this moment for a long time ago :D

[Dragosh]

Greetings. This is my first game here but I'll start off by Voting : Makk just cause I love his question/clue game :P

[Professional_Widow]

Hey!! Let's see... I'll random vote goddessofnin ..maybe coz she's just another goddess :)

Does any of you guys know what a ship tehnician is?

[omni]

Sly Ry Guy it's great to meet you, and you're lucky I'm not vengeful... yet. I guess I have to vote SUNSUN101 for being first to make a vote, got something to hide.

[behemoth]

I would like to introduce myself to (vote) Omni

Sly Ry, I've modified the rules so that the correct format for voting is showed. Because of the parentheses, I can't take your vote into consideration. If you want it to count all you need to do is take them off. Thanks.

[mary]

wow..we lost a crewmember allready.....and everybody is in a hurry to lose anotherone.....well anyway..regards for our ship technichian....

[Daemon]

Well then... you heard the mod! Fall in line! All of you smart piles of screws start voting right! No more "random vote This" or "you got my vote That". This is precise business! We're talking computers and robots here. So do it by the book! Sorry, by the code! Me 1st. Unvote heffie. Here's how it's done: vote: x(j/k). :)

[Diplomat]

Wow! I would really hate to lose this game based on someone's obvious vote not being counted because of an incorrect format. ;)

Anyway, here's my semi-random vote: vôt; Sunsun101 because he was the first to post. I believe this is better than random because it is my theory that bad guys post first disproportionately more often than other people.

[Daemon]

Pretty lousy theory, if you ask me. Moreover, since you probably like your own theories, you're taking them into account, and you might be a bad guy not posting first. How's that for a theory? [b]vote Diplomat[b]

[violinmaestro001]

hmm, what is with all these voting mistakes replicants? get your screws together, or youll loose them for good, cause we will put them to better use like plugging a whole in the ship's framing. Anyways, good morning to all, sorry to hear about our early loss, but im sure there will be more, first one hurts most... No random vote from me. SUNSUN? you may take your vote off now, i will remain last on the list, for obvious reasons, even when im dead. So do we have any info on what happeneded last night? any clues? any investigations? i need some screws in my room...

[mircione2001]

hi , this is my first game.

vote Mary
that "wow" does not sound too good for me. it sounds like an "ole".

[Makk]

Heehee mircione u're funny man :o I feel so good voting Daemon :D:D, but unfortunately for the repli's I don't think he's a robot. So this isn't my final decision guys unvote daemon & i'm watching your next moves :D

[doro5]

Yay! We got’s ourselves a live one! (Game, that is)
Sorry, but I don’t random vote. Time to go back to the shadows and find people contradicting themselves.

[princessxy]

Yay! We got’s ourselves a live one! (Game, that is)
Sorry, but I don’t random vote. Time to go back to the shadows and find people contradicting themselves.

Don't you mean we got ourselves a dead one (crew memeber, that is)? :D

[goddessofnin]

I think maybe I should vote beonenight

[behemoth]

SUNSUN101 - 2 (omni, Diplomat)
beoneknight - 1 (goddessofnin)
goddessofnin - 1(Professional Widow)
Makk - 1 (Dragosh)
mary - 1 (mircione2001)
Sly Ry Guy - 1 (GraveDigger)
violinmaestro001 - 1 (SUNSUN101)

[GraveDigger]

violin, all that talk about screws sounds mighty suspicious. kind of like code for something....

[Daemon]

Behemoth, I think you left me out of the loop. I voted earlier for Diplomat. I don't wanna edit the post so that people don't start talking, but that's obviously just a typo. No matter, Diplomat now knows his words are not gonna be taken lightly. I've also heard the "theory" that those theorising mafia "schemes" very very early in the game are bad guys too. It's a match, don't you think?

Anyway, doro5, please change the character symbol for <'>. You're probably using the <`>, located next to the <1> key, instead of the one next to the ENTER key, or something that our browsers turn to gibberish.
Yay! We gotâ??s ourselves a live one! (Game, that is)
Sorry, but I donâ??t random vote.

[SUNSUN101]

unvote:violinmaestro001 no gd i did not know that the list was in alphabetical order. :confused: now i do :)
hey diplomat do you want to explain your vote a littile bit more? Because i dont see how my random vote turned into me being mafia, and deserving two votes? especially the "semi-random" vote by you? and also daemon and heffie, i would like to know what daemon was talking about when he first voted heffie.
Even more proof that it was sorted that way so somebody would receive some degree of protection from FOS-es. vote Heffie She knows what she did. Maybe she should come forward and tell us, it's better than hearing it from somebody else.
????

[behemoth]

Daemon, I don't think doro's 'gibberish' has to to with his browser. I think it has to do with there being too many 'smart piles of screws' having fun with my post about Sly Ry's vote etc., which is why I didn't know whether to take your vote seriously. To the other players involved, I didn't mean this as a criticism, the whole thing was pretty funny and I do enjoy having smart piles of screws for players, but from now on please stick to the rule to avoid confusion.

[behemoth]

SUNSUN101 - 2 (omni, Diplomat)
beoneknight - 1 (goddessofnin)
Diplomat - 1 (Daemon)
goddessofnin - 1 (Professional Widow)
Makk - 1 (Dragosh)
mary - 1 (mircione2001)
Sly Ry Guy - 1 (GraveDigger)

[GraveDigger]

no, I'm sure doro's apostrophe problem is a technical one...

Daemon do you know something about Heffie? Heffie are you awake?

[Diplomat]

unvote:violinmaestro001 hey diplomat do you want to explain your vote a littile bit more? Because i dont see how my random vote turned into me being mafia, and deserving two votes? especially the "semi-random" vote by you? and also daemon and heffie, i would like to know what daemon was talking about when he first voted heffie.
OK, let me elaborate. If you look at the last two games in EC (and I hate stepping out of my role to refer to past "games"), games 53 & 58, you'll see that the first players to post in each of those threads were the mafia. My guess is that it was their way of scoring points. I noticed that trend way before I even signed up for this one. My intention was to vote for whoever posted first next time if there wasn't anyone better. Right now, voting for you seems better than a pure random vote. My vote is not in response to your vote for Violin.

As for Daemon's comment, I actually do hope that my words aren't ignored. It would be awesome if I turn out to be right. Your explanation of why I wasn't the first poster could be one interpretation, Daemon, but firstly, I don't think I have ever posted the first message in a game. Only one person could do that in a game. The focus is on who did go first, not why a speicific person didn't go first.

[Makk]

My vote is not in response to your vote for Violin.

I feel a kinda friendship over here :D ...somethin' like: you scratch my back, i'll scratch yours :D

[princessxy]

I've also heard the "theory" that those theorising mafia "schemes" very very early in the game are bad guys too. It's a match, don't you think?

Well, you're theorising too... That makes you... what?

[Daemon]

Well I'm not theorising, I'm merely quoting what I've heard. Those were not my words. But what difference does it make... I probably am not mafia cuz I wasn't the first to post.

And, I'm sorry, Diplomat, but the reason I posted first was not because I was mafia, but had to do with a fact that your keen observing eye did not notice:

Day opening post:
Fri 7th Apr 2006, 06:48 #3
GraveDigger

First player post:
Fri 7th Apr 2006, 19:13 #4
Daemon

For a game's first day, there shouldn't have been passing (is that english?) so many hours, in fact more than half of a day, without any post from any player, though for anyone to do that, time was plenty. The fact that almost 24 hours passed since the mod's post and the third player post corroborated with the overall relatively reduce number of posts proves my point: there was a lot of inactivity throughout the game, and posting as a responsible player does not make one scum.

Also regretting having to use info from other games, i really hope you drop that semi-interested, semi-active CRAP LOGIC, or else.

[Professional_Widow]

In my oppinion this is not relevant ... someone had to be the first to post and that doesn't make him/her a member of the mafia whatsoever ... at least SunSun101 said something coz there are people who weren't kind enough to greet us after all this time. Mister Diplomat how about re-thinking your theory?

Deamon what was your vote for Heffie about?

unvote goddessofnin - seems she woke up :D

[Makk]

Vote dragosh - don't mess with me fellow :mad: I don't wanna make your first mafia here became a nightmare :(

[Daemon]

Deamon what was your vote for Heffie about?
If I wanted to tell you something, I would have, wouldn't I? But I'm waiting for Heffie to do it, if she would.

[Diplomat]

For a game's first day, there shouldn't have been passing (is that english?) so many hours, in fact more than half of a day, without any post from any player, though for anyone to do that, time was plenty. The fact that almost 24 hours passed since the mod's post and the third player post corroborated with the overall relatively reduce number of posts proves my point: there was a lot of inactivity throughout the game, and posting as a responsible player does not make one scum.

Also regretting having to use info from other games, i really hope you drop that semi-interested, semi-active CRAP LOGIC, or else. Daemon, I still stand by my observation. I took another look at the openings of past EC games, and there were actually MORE games that followed this trend than I first noticed. Four out of the last five to be exact. Take a look for yourself. I would say that's something. So even if we ignore the one game that you're referring to, that's still 3 out 5, which is pretty good considring the bad guys' minority. If it was really random, that figure would have been more like 1 or 2 out of 5. But why should we ignore that last game in which you posted first? My observation was from a purely statistical point of view. I merely took a guess regarding the mafia's motivation, which doesn't matter in this context. It could as well have been because they felt the need to be more responsible players. I do believe this is the best lead we have so far. So stop making these pointless threats because right now you're the one who's full of crap logic.

[Daemon]

Well, Sunsun, GraveDigger, me and Slyryguy, we all posted within an hour from the mod's post. In fact, had I been awake 45 minutes earlier, I would have posted no matter what. In fact, it's probably the first thing I do when I get up in the morning or when I come home in the evening from work, that is checking RMC for new posts related to the games I'm playing at the time or I'm moderating. The fact that SunSun's time zone, which is Indonese if I remember correctly, allowed him to post a few minutes earlier than me saved my royal bottom, or I would be the one bearing your vote, wouldn't I? Or GraveDigger, who posted some 7 minutes earlier than I did. Well... I wonder... statistically speaking, how was the weather the day that mafia won the previous games?

You want funny statistics, along the lines you set? There you have it:

In every of the previous E.C. games you said were opened by a mafia post, at least the second post always belonged to a townie. I guess that is entirely understandable from mafia point of view, and that's "always distance yourself from your teammates". Then, given the "facts", GraveDigger is the happy owner of a "get out of jail free" wildcard. He must be innocent, right? Well are you willing to put your money on this theory also and take GD's innocence for granted? Or is it, in fact, of no consequence for the game?

[princessxy]

Well, Diplomat and Daemon, you might be both right... and you might be both just two concerned citizens, just a bit overreactive :D Fighting over nothing :(
If the whole day will be as active as it is now, maybe we'll be able to unvote the random votes and place a real vote!

[beoneknight]

Morning! I'm going to random vote joesatri coz he hasnt said anything yet.

[princessxy]

Morning! I'm going to random vote joesatri coz he hasnt said anything yet.

I think maybe his pod malfunctioned too!

[Professional_Widow]

let's hope not ..

[princessxy]

Maybe he's the kind that has difficulty waking up in the morning...

[GraveDigger]

I'm waiting for HEffie to wake up, since obviously she is the only one with something important to tell us..

The fact that SunSun's time zone, which is Indonese if I remember correctly, SunSun is from Castro Valley, California (pacific time zone) the same as me and slyry and probably others. I really don't think it matters who posted first, but at least it's something for Diplomat to go on when we don't have any other info on which to base our decisions.

[mary]

hi , this is my first game.

vote Mary
that "wow" does not sound too good for me. it sounds like an "ole".

hi,this is my first game 2..if I would have wanted to say "ole" , I would have said "ole",don't you think?..anyway I'm not gonna' do any random voting,don't wanna jump to conclusions to quickly..and about the whole "whoever posts first is mafia" theory,I really think thats irrelevant.

[SUNSUN101]

alright. here is how im looking at this situation. We are at a race track and a horse has a 4/5 chance of winning. Here is the problem with that, we are not here to gamble and this is not "The Romanian Gambling Club." Someone has to have some USEFUL info about last night. NOT theories or probabilities. We have cops and doctors and whatever else the mod wants to put in the game and we should use those people to help us win. NOT statistics. Also ever think of this. Three of the first four post were from the Pacific time zone. Might be 4/4 if i knew where daemon is located. I woke up for school, saw we had a game going and posted. About 30mins after me was GD, he also has school. Then SlyRyGuy posted about an hour after me. the reason for this is that SlyRyGuy starts school an hour after me. Also I still want heffie to come out and say what daemon is talking about.

[HEffie]

Mornin' y'all. Interesting comment there Daemon, but unfortunately I'm going to have to let you all down in expecting me to have some kind of information, which I don't, other than innocence and goodwill and acknowledge the fact that I'm as curious about Daemon's comment as all the rest of you are.
Before I comment further as to why that comment was made, perhaps Daemon will enlighten as us all as to why he made that statement and then we can proceed.
Diplomat's quite interesting with his theory that he keeps insisting on. Ever think that perhaps people are away, busy, sleeping, etc and just don't end up posting first while someone else may get the e-mail or check the board before others? I'd be more inclined to find out why others don't post first and then all post practically at the same time or really close together in some kind of time cluster.What if those are the mafia and just didn't wanna jump in there first and wanted some kind of comment to be made to either break the ice or have some content to pick on. I'd be more inclined to be suspicious of that, than the first poster. Why is it such a big deal? I have to agree with Daemon that there's no way you can practically legitimize that such a person has a good chance of being mafia...and if you didn't ever post in all the games you've ever played, what does that say about the times you WERE mafia?

[HEffie]

"and if you didn't ever post first" in all the games you were mafia, is what I meant :P

[Diplomat]

I understand what you guys are saying, but that doesn't defeat my proposition. All I said was that if there isn't any specific info against anyone on the first day, voting for the first person to post is better than voting randomly. That's why I called my vote "semi-random". I'm not saying posting first makes Sunsun more likely to be mafia than townie, just more likely to be mafia than a randomly picked name. And no, we can't deduce any such info about anyone who didn't post first. I don't understand why Daemon is making a big deal out of this. It's odd. His analogy to second game posts doesn't apply because second posts were made by the majority group of players. Either he's failing to see this from a probabilistic point of view, or he knows something about Sunsun, or he's mafia. I don't want this to turn into another case of misunderstanding like that between Radwulf and me in Parallel Mafia with a lot of wasted time.

I don't know whether to take Daemon's accusation of Heffie seriously or not. When I first read it, it seemed like just a ploy to get her to talk. Maybe Daemon should elaborate.

[SUNSUN101]

What i still do not understand by your(Diplomat) logic is why vote someone(Me) because of probability? if we dont find anything out today and do not kill anybody it is better than just simply voting someone who you have no peice of info on thier role or anything, just for the fact that he(Me) was the first to log onto this game and post. What does seem mafia like is that you(diplomat) are trying to get me voted for no reason without and peice of VALID or MEANFUL info. And i can understand why daemon is making a big idea of a player(once again Diplomat) trying to get another kicked out for no reason right at the beggining of the game. It makes them seem more like mafia than a person that post first. for that reason
F.O.S. Diplomat

[violinmaestro001]

interesting. i see parts of Diplomats point of theory on voting the first person to write a post. but that is it. the rest is off. so its just a random vote based on who's first=mafia.but one vote wont get sunsun killed, so its of no importance anyways, and i dont think anyone is buying your theory Diplomat, therefore it doesnt matter,but you ohave a right to believe what you want to.Thas my 2 cents on the subject, end of story.
i think its time to drop this subject since its not going anywhere.
I am also curios what is happening there between Heffie and Daemon, as in your post agains Heffie. It sounded as if one of you two knows something, and its Daemon not heffie. Would you care to elaborate? or was that just a "random" way to get her attention?Now if you say it was random will we believe you?
vote Heffie She knows what she did. Maybe she should come forward and tell us, it's better than hearing it from somebody else.
cause it sounds like you have something in mind for heffie, so why not come forward? anyone?

[Diplomat]

OK, I think it'll be more productive for us if I just retract my vote. I was simply suggesting a strategy for picking a person to put pressure on, rather than voting someone "because his name ends in a digit"-sort of thing. But I get the impression that people aren't seeing it. :)
Unvote: Sunsun101

[Daemon]

Hey Diplomat, we agreed we should get SunSun101 killed, why the sudden change of heart? :)

Yeah, well, about Heffie, seems like she's not taking the bait. Never mind. There's still time. I'm watching you, Heffie, and remember, I have eyes in the back of my head! Just one wrong move, and you go down!

[violinmaestro001]

don't know Daemon, but it seems that you arent joking about Heffie. Im all interested to hear what you know about her. Please dont ignore my interest ;)

[Daemon]

I really have nothing to reveal at this time. If anybody, that should be Heffie.

[behemoth]

beoneknight - 1 (goddessofnin)
Diplomat - 1 (Daemon)
Dragosh – 1 (Makk)
joesatri – 1 (beoneknight)
Makk - 1 (Dragosh)
mary - 1 (mircione2001)
Sly Ry Guy - 1 (GraveDigger)
SUNSUN101 - 1 (omni)

[mircione2001]

so.. what do we know at this moment?
we have 8 "crew members" that have votes.

beoneknight was voted by goddessofnin -no explanation
Makk voted by Dragosh and Dragosh voted by Makk -very weak reasons
mary voted by mircione2001 - no solid reason
SlyRyGuy voted by GraveDigger - just a random vote, no reason
joesatri voted by beoneknight - reason : inactivity. joesatri didn't wake up untill now.

SUNSUN voted by omni (and Diplomat but he retrieved his vote) - reason : SUNSUN was the first to make a post or to vote.

Diplomat voted by Daemon - reason : Daemon didn't agree with Diplomat's theory.
Also Dameon said that he knows that heffie did something. Heffie denies. At the moment this is the only non-random discussion that we have.

I am curious to find out more about this discussion so I change my vote from mary to Heffie.

unvote mary

vote Heffie

[GraveDigger]

Heffie already said she has no idea what Daemon is talking about. Daemon is the one that should elaborate...

I really have nothing to reveal at this time. If anybody, that should be Heffie. How about revealing what you meant by your first post today. How is that bait for Heffie? Obviously something is going on. Were you just guessing that Heffie had some info that she needed to tell us? Well obviously not according to your last post. How do you know about Heffie? Unvote SlyRyGuy, even though he should be more active. vote: Daemon

[nn0ni]

Since we have practically nothing to go on so far...exept for some randomness and the very vague accusation daemon made towards heffie,I can't express any votes.I am curious though to know what daemon meant with his bait and what exactly he is expecting heffie to confess.

[mary]

Sorry...my words actually.nn0ni forgot to log off and I didn't realize it.


Since we have practically nothing to go on so far...exept for some randomness and the very vague accusation daemon made towards heffie,I can't express any votes.I am curious though to know what daemon meant with his bait and what exactly he is expecting heffie to confess.

[violinmaestro001]

Im tempted to Vote Daemon, because he is pushing the envelope, yet not saying anything of importance about the subject that seems to be of importance. If you know something,and the other person doenst seem to have a clue what your reffering to, at least you should put that person to shame, unless what your doing is hot air, and your about to be caught with nothing good to clean your mess up with.(no story)
Im more than curios, i want to know!!!

[SUNSUN101]

yeah i want to hear it too. Vote Daemon, one more needed for a role claim.

[Diplomat]

Daemon, I think you should explain what you were trying to accomplish by supposedly coercing Heffie to confess. What did you expect her to say, "You got me, Daemon. Yes, I killed Creativemind. I don't know how you found me, but you're good."? You should know that without presenting any concrete evidence, this exercise is pointless and self-defeating. If you really know something about her, why put yourself in danger by hinting about being an investigator but not revealing everything you know? Another possibility is that you're in on this with Heffie, trying to distance yourselves from each other.
FOS: Daemon

[Daemon]

You can stop voting, or you can keep doing it if you really like it. The simple fact is that I was trying to get something going, and since Heffie has, at least in my mind, something of a weakness when it comes to her being suspected very early in the game, I thought what the heck, let's go fishing, anything's better than waiting for the investigators that, obviously, failed to show.

You don't have to mourn yet, though I probably am as good as dead for not revealing my role just now. And why should I? There's no shread of evidence of any kind against me, except some bait I threw at Heffie.

I'm sure that right now, the townies are convinced I'm mafia and the mafia is convinced I'm a cop of some sort, so there's gonna be a beautiful consensus among those voting me. Yeah, lacking proofs, the very early consensus means a lot of mafia are pushing one's carriage.

[Daemon]

Funny thing, Diplomat. It looks like you've got lucky again with the 1st post thingie. What townie, in his right mind, would wanna expose someone's role in the first day, without having any info or bad play & lynches from that someone's part to back his action?

GD and VM only wanted some more info about what I've said, but SUNSUN101 wanted me to tell my role. And for that, unvote Diplomat, vote SunSun101

[Professional_Widow]

:eek:
Daemon I think you're paranoid

[Daemon]

Why?

[Professional_Widow]

Maybe because you're so excited and accusing the players back and forth .. do you make sense or it's me who didn't get it right? If their reactions mean something to you well .. yours just didn't make a good impression upon me ..

[Daemon]

I'm not accusing back and forth... I think your impression of mafia games is erroneous. Mafia is a game in which players say out loud what they're thinking. Much like me and Diplomat. At least innocent players. So that the other innocent players can see if there are others that think alike and expand on the subject.

My accusing back and forth from the beginning of the game:
-Funny "bait" thrown at Heffie.
-Disapproving Diplomat for a weak theory.
-Vote for SunSun101 for the scum he is.

Who's paranoid between me and you? And how come you're defending the one that you should be accusing for trying to expose a the role of a player very very early in the game who actually didn't do anything wrong so far.

My scum list:
SunSun101
Professional Mafia

[Professional_Widow]

Don't be so agressive Daemon and don't take it personally :) I wasn't attacking you with my 'professional mafia' skills and I didn't mean to be disrespectful :D. Don't worry, I understood that you're not the bad guy - no mafia could have played it like that I think (else I would have voted for you).

Anyhow, if there's one thing I know about the mafia games, it's that every player tries to help as much as he can the side he's on and by now you've kinda confused us more than other player has (by 'baiting' Heffie, accusing/disapproving Diplomat- defending SunSun101, accusing SunSun101 - defending Diplomat)...it seems you're trying to find a guilty somebody at every corner. As you said it's still very very early and I don't think that strategy is gonna do anything good (that was my point actually)..

Now don't get me wrong, I'm more than 'ready and willing' to vote for SunSun101, but all the evidence we have against him at this time is not relevant enough for me.

[princessxy]

You don't have to mourn yet, though I probably am as good as dead for not revealing my role just now. And why should I? There's no shread of evidence of any kind against me, except some bait I threw at Heffie.

Well, that and the fact that you're trying to get people voted... maybe start carriages (don't know if that means the same in english :D)
I mean, first Heffie, then Diplomat, and now that neither of that worked, Sunsun.

I wonder where's the rest of the team? Guys, wake up! Don't you care? Unless you're a mafia trying to stay hidden!

[mircione2001]

@princessxxy - I know what you mean by "carriage". I don't have reasons to join any of .

What I understood from the latest posts is that Daemon tried to mud the water so that the sharks (replicant, mafia) will raise to surface and the fishermans will catch them.
Well, the strategy didn't work too well and the only result is that now we are confused.

[violinmaestro001]

mircione
Well, the strategy didn't work too well and the only result is that now we are confused.
have you heard of the saying, when you dig a hole for others, you may fall into it yourself? i think that is exactly what is happening to Daemon. He started something he cannot finnish, so he moves on to someone else, hoping by this that he has clarified himself and is now clean of all things he hath done to Heffie. Mafia does that as well, when they cannot stick it to one person, they move on to the next victim. so i still do not know what is going on here, but confused i am not. Deamon is playing us for a fool, well will see about that. Comming out with fals accusations doesnt get you far, because it catches up with you.And we all know this.

[Daemon]

Since some of you got confused by what I've said, as weird as it seems to me, then all you have to do to get unconfused is to pretend I've never said those confusing things.

Professional Widow, the more expressive term is "band-wagon" but "carriage" seemed just as good at the moment.

I was not defending SunSun when Diplomat said he was mafia, I defended the first player that posted, whoever that was. And I am not defending Diplomat now, but I'm saying that without one speaking his mind, the other would have a hard time ganging up against mafia.

[violinmaestro001]

sorry forgot to mention
Daemon
Funny "bait" thrown at Heffie
let us see how this is funny
Daemon
vote Heffie She knows what she did. Maybe she should come forward and tell us, it's better than hearing it from somebody else.
If I wanted to tell you something, I would have, wouldn't I? But I'm waiting for Heffie to do it, if she would.
Yeah, well, about Heffie, seems like she's not taking the bait. Never mind. There's still time. I'm watching you, Heffie, and remember, I have eyes in the back of my head! Just one wrong move, and you go down!
I really have nothing to reveal at this time. If anybody, that should be Heffie.
I thought what the heck, let's go fishing, anything's better than waiting for the investigators that, obviously, failed to show.There's no shread of evidence of any kind against me, except some bait I threw at Heffie.
I guess i can see some humorous parts in this, but they are kind of humorous in an accusing tone. well il have to debate a bit before i decide if i should change my mind on this subject.

[omni]

All this talk nof mafia and conspiracies it's very suspicious, safe to say there are different theories out there, I just wonder if people have shown their real side yet, if they have I'm very unobservant.

[behemoth]

beoneknight - 1 (goddessofnin)
Daemon - 3 (GraveDigger, violinmaestro001, SUNSUN101)
Dragosh – 1 (Makk)
joesatri – 1 (beoneknight)
HEffie - 1 (mircione2001)
Makk - 1 (Dragosh)
SUNSUN101 - 2 (omni, Daemon)

Deadline is set for this Friday by midnight (US eastern time), unless 50% of the players ask for additional time.

[Daemon]

Debate it all you like, VM001. I told you the bait was funny cuz I was laughing my head off every time I posted one of those one-liners. Don't you find clishees funny?

[Daemon]

Hehe... wouldn't it be also funny if the replicants would be the "digitized" players?

doro5
mircione2001
SUNSUN101
violinmaestro001

Robot type and serial number :).

[princessxy]

Hehe... wouldn't it be also funny if the replicants would be the "digitized" players?

doro5
mircione2001
SUNSUN101
violinmaestro001

Robot type and serial number :).

Wouldn't it be funny of their Master, had an imposing and significant name - like DAEMON!

[violinmaestro001]

now you really made me laugh out loud Daemon. Digitized members. That is an interesting theory by all means, the best one so far. I have to give you credit for this one.
Unvote Daemon

[Daemon]

Wouldn't it be funny of their Master, had an imposing and significant name - like DAEMON!
With a beatiful princess by his side, whos name contains mathemathical symbols, like x and y...

[Professional_Widow]

Professional Widow, the more expressive term is "band-wagon" but "carriage" seemed just as good at the moment.

Maybe you wanted to say Princessxy .. Are you on drugs or what? You're making fun of us or what's going on?! ... vote Daemon

[Daemon]

I accidentally switched your names... so sue me. They both start with a capital P followed by a rather long and twisted word.

[Daemon]

Well you now have a reason to vote me. I got the names wrong. So vote violinmaestro also. Look what a horrible thing he did.
Last edited by violinmaestro001 : Tue 13th Jun 2006 at 20:58. Reason: Damemon instead of Daemon

[Professional_Widow]

OK .. so this is a 'funny' situation .. unvote Daemon .. vote violinmaestro001

[Professional_Widow]

Lol .. Deamon you're contagious :o

Let's get serious guys .. we've got some nasty lil robots to catch!!

[Daemon]

Well you should vote yourself too, while you're at it. You messed up my name also. I might have a really difficult name to write.

[Professional_Widow]

I'm so sorry :( Can I edit? :D

[mary]

well,I don't know what to think yet about daemons whole throwing bait thing.I mean at first he was so sure of himself practicaly telling heffie she'd better confess 'cause it's better to confess than to hear it from someone else..implying he had info against her(and yes I do know that thats what throwing bait means).
His explanaition is plausible ,the whole thing just being strategy,trying to catch robots and stuff.But I don't know if it just seemd so to me..but he came on a little to strong and than all of a sudden it all turned in to something funny..and he imediately backed off.
The post where he first made heffie look suspicious got everyone all excited and it's just weird that after that daemon just said never mind..thats my point of view anyway..
Still trying to make sense of things and I guess no votes so far..unless someone gets my name wrong :)

[Makk]

Deamon, Damemon....you have a lot of lambs to receive, Daemon :D !!! The fact is that he's very serpent...as like a Devil :D

[HEffie]

The simple fact is that I was trying to get something going, and since Heffie has, at least in my mind, something of a weakness when it comes to her being suspected very early in the game, I thought what the heck, let's go fishing, anything's better than waiting for the investigators that, obviously, failed to show.


So, what you're saying is, from previous games' experience, you know I get angry when people suspect me and vote me for no reason in the first few days as a bandwagon and end up innocently lynched 99% of the time because of it. Is this the effect you were going for? The whole, she got angry, she must have something to hide, she's suspicious, oh, look, she's been lynched cause everyone bandwagonned...so sad, wasn't anyone's fault particularly cause she was acting all hostile towards everyone... and then you basically get rid of me easily? Sure sounds that way from your post. Especially because of no solid info...or so you say.

[Daemon]

Unlike megamanx and dani ilisoi and who knows what other meteoric players, I believe I know what to make of your posts. All I hoped (yeah, a veritable longshot) was that you MAY have made a mistake like the one with the assasins in StarWars Mafia :). Remember that one?

[princessxy]

How can we make something out of a game where 60% of the players are inactive?

[mary]

Well,maybe there will be more activity towards the weekend:)..anyway there has been alot of debating about nothing relevant so far so..the conclusion is:
we are all waiting on new information

[doro5]

Well well, I see we have our first confrontation, which involves, how surprising, daemon and diplomat. Well, I believe this is a misunderstanding. Although daemon (is that how you spell it?) is acting a bit suspicious, I really do see sunsuns incriminating behavior. So ill vote sunsun101. But I still think that we should have an eye on you, daemon. You tend to be pretty tricky in these things

[Professional_Widow]

Why is everybody talking about previous mafia games? .. :(

[princessxy]

I don't know, but I feel lost... They are all talking about previous missions, and although mission reports are avalaible, the library isn't a very fun place :(

[Makk]

Why is everybody talking about previous mafia games? .. :(

just because :p ...and because we know @ this moment a little more than nothing :D

[HEffie]

I have to admit, I forgot I was IN that one...goes to show how far my memory span takes me, never mind the supposed mistake. I'm assuming it had to do with not knowing stuff about Star Wars, which mind you, I've recently watched as part of expanding my knowledge of general things.
Don't think cause you've modded a lot of games, you can predict how any player will react in any one game because there are too many outside influnces unbeknownst to you that may have changed their outakes on things :P.
On another note: As you said it's still very very early and I don't think that strategy is gonna do anything good (that was my point actually)..

Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what will do some good so early on in the game, if not strategy (not that I'm agreeing with Daemon's strategy at all).

[HEffie]

That was Professional Widow that made that last comment I was wondering about, by the way...I failed to mention the quote's author.

[Daemon]

See? You're already getting sloppy :P. I really should post less :).

[violinmaestro001]

well i must say i feel like most of you, a bit out, since lots of people are more interested in looking at old games instead of focusing on this one. Then we have the pentyful of mutes (non posting players) so i guess will wait till the weekend? or shall we start voting randomly again as a wake up call? It is funny reading these posts from today. Maybee il wait for someone to misspell my name 2. haha( that was more sarcastic i assume) well till later then

[GraveDigger]

unvote daemon for now. I realize that his posts are actually pretty sarcastic/funny including the whole "bait" scenario. But that doesn't mean he's innocent, it just means theres not enough to convict him.

sunsun101 now has 3 votes. because he posted first? I personally know he was eager to play in this game, and see just as likely as a chance of him posting first if he was townie. Doro5 what incriminating behavior do u see in him?

[mary]

if voting for the non active players isn't a wake up call for them..I dont know how active they're gonna get in the weekend.


What's going on here people?Do we have absolutely nothing to go on?
I really feel like kicking some robot butt so robots:show yourselfs! :)

[joesatri]

I'd like to thank beoneknight for thinking of me :)

I'm still halfway through reading the posts, so.. hang in there.
I've been in Venice for two days, and i'm EXTREMLY busy... however i WILL find time to read/post.

[mary]

so ..another player woke up,thats good news:)
good to know your your hibernation capsule isnt't malfunctioning and you're ok:)

[Daemon]

His capsule may have been malfunctioning yet. He does look a little pale.

[Makk]

What's going on here people?Do we have absolutely nothing to go on?
I really feel like kicking some robot butt so robots:show yourselfs! :)

so ..another player woke up,thats good news
good to know your your hibernation capsule isnt't malfunctioning and you're ok

Mary it seems like you are very impatient to find out some kind of robot...but you did nothing in that direction :confused: Only analysis...and not a very relevant one :( Maybe you are the robot and you're trying to lynch someone before the deadline :D !!! U have seven posts and no vote till now...I think you're trying hardly to act as like an innocent crew member who has no idea about what's happening around...having some kind of wrong exaltation...I dunno... :confused: unvote dragosh, vote mary

[mary]

makk,I think that every innocent crewmember is trying to find out who the robots are.That is the purpose isn't it?find the replicants?
the reason why I'm not voting is because I don't see anything that could incriminate someone that much as to be voted.Would it bring ur mind at ease if I voted randomly?or if I voted for whoever posted first?
And maybe you could bring me up to speed on what is going on 'cause so far all we know is that the ship techinician is dead and there are no other leads exept for theories.Unless you see something else going on that i don't ,in that case please inlighten us.

[Professional_Widow]

On another note:
Perhaps you could enlighten me as to what will do some good so early on in the game, if not strategy (not that I'm agreeing with Daemon's strategy at all).

Heffie what I meant was that I strongly disagree with Daemon's (got the name right this time :D) theories and I suggested him to wait a little longer till the time someone will come with info.

I'll be gone a couple of days (till the end of the week I think) that's why I'll unvote violinmaestro001.

[doro5]

GD, it was actually daemon who pointed it out:
What townie, in his right mind, would wanna expose someone's role in the first day, without having any info or bad play & lynches from that someone's part to back his action?
GD and VM only wanted some more info about what I've said, but SUNSUN101 wanted me to tell my role.
It’s not absolute, but it is a point that sunsun must clear about his behavior.

[joesatri]

Boo!

So.. this is the list of the living..

beoneknight
Daemon
Diplomat
doro5
Dragosh
goddessofnin
GraveDigger
HEffie
joesatri
Makk
mary
mircione2001
omni
princessxy
Professional Widow
Sly Ry Guy
SUNSUN101
violinmaestro001

I'm gonna vote Makk, based on my instincts.. (don't ask for info, as there's none).

This is going nowhere, and after reading the whole story, and looking at the crew list, my instinct says Makk.

If anybody wants to join me in shooting the moon, please jump right on the band wagoon...

[Makk]

And my instincts tells me that your instincts have failed :D

[behemoth]

beoneknight - 1 (goddessofnin)
Daemon - 1 (SUNSUN101)
joesatri - 1 (beoneknight)
HEffie - 1 (mircione2001)
Makk - 2 (Dragosh, joesatri)
mary - 1 (Makk)
SUNSUN101 - 3 (omni, Daemon, doro5)

With 18 alive, 7 votes needed for deadline lynch, 10 for instant.
Deadline is set for this Friday by midnight (US eastern time), unless 50% of the players ask for additional time.

[joesatri]

C'mon.. few more votes and we can force Makk to make-up a role...

[Makk]

Oh yeah...? Then...let's start the war :D !!! Unvote mary, vote joesatri, you want my role too soon my friend :) ! Let's see who's getting faster those five votes till the deadline !

[GraveDigger]

I hate this whole "I'll vote you as soon as you hint that you want to know my role" buissness

[SUNSUN101]

ok. Omni you still have your vote on me for posting first. sorry that i was anxious to play this game and posted first.(if you couldnt tell that was sarcasm). As for doro my explanation is simple. i still do not trust Deamon and he is still suspicious to me. The reason why i wanted to know his role is for him to make up a role and be caught. And i still dont buy Daemon's "im some sort of cop" because if you were:
1) you would have hid it until you had no choice, not come out and say well if i say this im going to get killed by the mafia so im going to say it anyways.I you were so concerned about being killed by the mafia you would not have said your role out so fast. Also i said "one more vote needed" so you technically didnt have to tell us your role until you got another vote. Also since you are going to be "killed overnight" anyway why dont you share with us the person you investigated overnight and Your exact role.Not some sketchy im a "sort of cop" bullshit.
2) why would you draw so much attention to yourself. Yes, im talking about the whole Heffie thing.
3) If you were on our side you would not have thrown bait and tryed to exploit the weakness of someone else that you had no sort of clue that they were mafia. And if you were right, and heffie was mafia, then the mafia would think you are a cop and kill you anyway? right? also why dont you just investigate Heffie then do your "i think you should tell them what you are hiding"
4)My last reason for being suspicous of daemon is that why is he jumping around and just voting people, trying to get someone killed in the first day without any hard evidence. since he is the cop why not dig into someone who is suspicous today instead of voting like crazy? its seems mafia like to get someone voted just because of eager townies.
for that last statement i will unvote daemon.this does not mean in anyway that i still do not suspect daemon. it is just that no one has any solid proof against him. I will wait for the next day for a REAL cop to hopefully investigate you overnight. Doro i do see how i looked like mafia maybe a little bit with asking for his role. so i hope that i have cleared it up and told you why i wanted to know his role and still do.

[doro5]

Ok. I get your point. unvote sunsun for now... note that I never dropped my suspicions about daemon, it was just the fact he pointed out your mafia-like behavior, which is a reasonable excuse to vote, that I voted you.
im keeping my other eye on you, nonetheless. If you aren’t mafia, I should be able to take it away soon.
Joestari, Makk, your acting like idiots.

[Diplomat]

Seems like there's a sudden a surge of activity happening, but people are all over the over the place, with no composed aim or direction. I think we need to agree on one person to focus and put pressure on in the future.

Hehe... wouldn't it be also funny if the replicants would be the "digitized" players?

doro5
mircione2001
SUNSUN101
violinmaestro001

Robot type and serial number :).
Wouldn't it be funny of their Master, had an imposing and significant name - like DAEMON! Hey, that actually make sense! A daemon is a computer program that runs continuously in the background, sometimes acting as a server. So Daemon itself is a very "digitized" name. Maybe he's the replicants' leader, being a program that's controlling and coordinating their activities. :)

Even though a lot of people are talking, at least a couple of the more experienced players are still missing: Goddessofnin and Beoneknight. I will vote: Beoneknight to hopefully wake him up.

[GraveDigger]

sunsun, your last post is very intersting, because you tell us things that would make one believe Daemon is mafia, and then you unvote him. let me remind you that you can't be 100% sure of anything in this game, not even the cops know that they're good cops. Because of this we have to vote by who we THINK is mafia, and give proof based on what they said, like you did.

One thing that is wrong with your post is the misconception that Daemon said he's "some sort of cop." The only thing he said that could make you believe that is this:I'm sure that right now, the townies are convinced I'm mafia and the mafia is convinced I'm a cop of some sort, so there's gonna be a beautiful consensus among those voting me. Yeah, lacking proofs, the very early consensus means a lot of mafia are pushing one's carriage.read it again.He thinks the mafia is assuming he's "cop of some sort" by his behavior. He never said that what he is. That gets rid of argument #1. As for 2, why would he draw attention to himself if he was mafia (in the Heffie thing). 3: the heffie thing was a joke! Agrument number 4 is the only one that would make anyone vote for Daemon if they know the facts...


vote slyryguy for inactivity, not one of his townie characteristics.

[violinmaestro001]

well, this is getting out of hand, were back at guessing in the dark. Any sugestions?im still partial to Daemon out of the whole thing, too much jumping around, very playfull explanations for his actions, very carelessly moving on to the next victim (the voted one) hoping for some suction off his bait...

[Daemon]

Probably a rather long post coming up. You wanna lynch a replicant, you gotta read it.

SunSun101, I was thinking for a while, should I start quoting your post, or just fragments... but I'll go for the whole thing, because IT ALL STINKS LIKE SCUM!

GD, thanx for pointing out some of SunSun's mistakes. I will attempt to clarify SunSun's mafia behaviour, and maybe doro5 would also come to senses.

The reason why i wanted to know his role is for him to make up a role and be caught. And i still dont buy Daemon's "im some sort of cop" because if you were:
First of all, I didn't say I was a cop, I said "mafia is convinced I'm a cop, and the townies are convinced I'm maifa". Well... since you unvoted me, you're clearly not the latter, and since you think I'm a cop, this just proves my point GOOD.

1) you would have hid it until you had no choice, not come out and say well if i say this im going to get killed by the mafia so im going to say it anyways.I you were so concerned about being killed by the mafia you would not have said your role out so fast.
What a townie would do: A townie would come out and tell the whole world abot his info, not just because any townie is worth trading his life for a scum's, but because he is very likely to be killed at night at one point or another, and the info goes to waste.
What a scum would do: A scum would claim that investigators should lay low and wait for... for... for... yeah, wait for what, since they supposedly have great info for the town? And, remember, I did not say I was a cop, I simply explained why you acted 100% mafia.
Also i said "one more vote needed" so you technically didnt have to tell us your role until you got another vote. Also since you are going to be "killed overnight" anyway why dont you share with us the person you investigated overnight and Your exact role.Not some sketchy im a "sort of cop" bullshit.
It's getting better by the hour. Now you're not only asking for my role, you're asking it WITHOUT VOTING ME. Cuz when the time comes and whoever might have lynched me have to answer for it you're free to go.
What a townie would do: If a townie is convinced someone has info, he would be asking for the info, not the role. A townie would not want to expose a cop or any other townie roles for that matter, and make them easy targets for the mafia.
What a scum would do: The scum would try and discredit the player and then discredit his info by association. And if that fails, at least find out his role and kill him later.
)2) why would you draw so much attention to yourself. Yes, im talking about the whole Heffie thing.
What a townie would do: A townie would try and stir the waters, try and get something moving, a mistake is bound to happen. It was not Heffie's, it's yours. Now don't you think talking is great?
What a scum would do: Simple. Scum always try and keep things cool, even frozen, why laying low and listening for the music, throwing a vote here and there, and pretending to be an angry townie when someone accuses them of anything.
3) If you were on our side you would not have thrown bait and tryed to exploit the weakness of someone else that you had no sort of clue that they were mafia. And if you were right, and heffie was mafia, then the mafia would think you are a cop and kill you anyway? right? also why dont you just investigate Heffie then do your "i think you should tell them what you are hiding"
Do you see me saying that Heffie is mafia, as I'm saying about you? Anyway, you should start thinking your way out a little more clear, your points 2) and 3) kinda say the same thing. And remember, you don't know what I am. Maybe I have the guts to come charging in accusing everybody, or maybe I'm invulnerable.
4) My last reason for being suspicous of daemon is that why is he jumping around and just voting people, trying to get someone killed in the first day without any hard evidence. since he is the cop why not dig into someone who is suspicous today instead of voting like crazy? its seems mafia like to get someone voted just because of eager townies.
for that last statement i will unvote daemon.this does not mean in anyway that i still do not suspect daemon. it is just that no one has any solid proof against him. I will wait for the next day for a REAL cop to hopefully investigate you overnight. Doro i do see how i looked like mafia maybe a little bit with asking for his role. so i hope that i have cleared it up and told you why i wanted to know his role and still do.
I'm not voting like crazy! I voted Heffie to get the ball roling, as a first vote, then I voted Diplomat for voting you on the account of you posting first, theory w/ which, as amasing as it seems, you do not agree also. And then I've settled for confirming my vote for SunSun101. Does that look to you like voting like crazy?
What a townie would do: A townie would try and play a sincere game, where his vote reflected his suspicions. And a townie is allowed to change his votes as many times as his mind. That way, the other townies get hints on what the others are thinking. The town should think and not vote only based on info.
What a scum would do: A scum would try and convince the other that we all should chat a little, get to know each other, what the heck, it's the first day, right? Why finding a mafia right from the beginning? Let's allow them as many free kills as possible. Let's wait for the info. Let's get all the investigators killed at night before that! Right? That's what everyone should really read in your words: "trying to get someone killed in the first day without any hard evidence". Do you really think I would be willing to stake my neck for a wrong lynch if I were mafia from the very first day? Nope, I wouldn't, and neither are you, that's why you withdrew your vote EVEN IF you think I'm mafia.

[Daemon]

GraveDigger, for now, you have my trust. Help me get rid of the scum.

Doro5, right now, you replaced Professional Widow as the second probable mafia member in my list. You now have to convince ME that are you are not, and you did not just wait for anything SunSun101 says, so you can "safely" take your vote off him.

[Makk]

Joestari, Makk, your acting like idiots.

I don't think so....all is happening here has it's purpose...

Daemon said it for fun, but maybe you guys really are repli's as being digitized players! And for that reason unvote joesatri, vote doro5, in alphabetical order.

[princessxy]

Thank you Daemon for your analisis... the truth is that something about Sunsun is rotten!
Wouldn't it be weird if Diplomat's theory would turn up to be true after all?

SunSun i've got my eyes on you! There's a vote waiting for you...

[Diplomat]

You know, I initially didn't think much of Sunsun's post 122 (the one Daemon just responded to), but Daemon has pointed out some contradictions and other things in there that indicate mafia behavior. What's most suspicious to me is that he makes this long accusation of Daemon and then after all that takes his vote off him rather than confirming his vote. A bad guy is often less confident and more wishy-washy about his vote because he knows he's going up against an innocent. IME, the point at which bad guys often make mistakes is that they're not persistent enough in their voting and accusations and fail to convince enough people vote along with them. In addition, it was previously vague whether Sunsun really wanted to know Daemon's role or if he just mentioned the extra needed vote as a reminder. Now he's made it clear that he really was interested in Daemon coming out with his role, as Daemon has pointed out.
So for that, I'll unvote: beoneknight and vote: Sunsun, again. My prediction about the first post may be true after all. ;)

[doro5]

Doro5, right now, you replaced Professional Widow as the second probable mafia member in my list. You now have to convince ME that are you are not, and you did not just wait for anything SunSun101 says, so you can "safely" take your vote off him.
Well, daemon, why exactly do you think im mafia? I admit I can sometimes be easily swayed, but you even said that:
What a townie would do: A townie would try and play a sincere game, where his vote reflected his suspicions. And a townie is allowed to change his votes as many times as his mind.
Both of you acted suspicious in my eyes, so the votes swayed with the posts. Now, ill give sunsun until the days end to post a comment regarding the recent evidence, or ill vote for him in full heart.

[omni]

Sunsun, your comment 'our' side has raised my suspicions about you, I didn't unvote as I wanted to watch and see where it went, you've done little to change my mind, rather than carry on, provide me some solid evidence and I'll change my vote simple as that, if I am right and you survive, feel free to use your replicant behaviour to have me killed.

[violinmaestro001]

SunSUn, you must realize your mistake and move on. Daemon never said he is a cop. you took that from his post and made it your own, and all is based on missreading the post. I dont think that you are mafia, but the way you play it makes you mafia. Now, if you wanna play it safe, i would come clean.

[behemoth]

beoneknight - 1 (goddessofnin)
doro5 - 1 (Makk)
joesatri - 1 (beoneknight)
HEffie - 1 (mircione2001)
Makk - 2 (Dragosh, joesatri)
Sly Ry Guy - 1 (GraveDigger)
SUNSUN101 - 3 (omni, Daemon, Diplomat)

With 18 alive, 7 votes needed for deadline lynch, 10 for instant.
Deadline is set for this Friday by midnight (US eastern time), unless 50% of the players ask for additional time.

[mary]

well at first I really didnt think of taking diplomats theory of whoever posts first is mafia but daemon has made some rather convincing points about sunsuns behavior.(and man that was a long post:) )
so for now vote sunsun
still ,my vote doesnt mean daemon seems completely innocent to me.

[HEffie]

I agree with Nonni on the last part and I am tempted to vote SunSun right now to retract a reaction and role from him asap, but I believe that'll make it 5 votes and I wouldn't wanna encourage a bandwagonned lynch (it's happened to me). so FOS SUNSUN, let's have it.

[HEffie]

I meant Mary, sorry about the name mistake...I feel like I've just joined a large group of people, except I totally didn't even look at who was posting the one before me at all :P don't ASSume.

[GraveDigger]

GraveDigger, for now, you have my trust. Help me get rid of the scum.

Doro5, right now, you replaced Professional Widow as the second probable mafia member in my list. You now have to convince ME that are you are not, and you did not just wait for anything SunSun101 says, so you can "safely" take your vote off him.Since when did this game revolve around you?

The only thing that makes me want to vote for sunsun101 is the fact that he unvoted Daemon in that post. Everything else he said seems like its just a misunderstanding. But I would vote him if he didn't already have 5 votes. I'll my make decision once we hear from him.
......
actually he has four votes. unvote slyryguy (who i'll try to get playing), vote sunsun101. everyone else give him a chance to come clean. I'm kind of on the same page as violinmaestro with this one...

[violinmaestro001]

Heffie
I am tempted to vote SunSun right now to retract a reaction and role from him asap, but I believe that'll make it 5 votes and I wouldn't wanna encourage a bandwagonned lynch (it's happened to me). so FOS SUNSUN, let's have it.
I like this
Gravedigger
vote sunsun101. everyone else give him a chance to come clean. I'm kind of on the same page as violinmaestro with this one...
with the exeption that i didnt vote, for the same reason Heffie didnt vote(a FOS is enough ).
So no more voting on SUNSUN, you hear? The Master has spoken
i like this
Gravedigger
vote sunsun101. everyone else give him a chance to come clean.

[goddessofnin]

I want to know why everyone wants a role claim so early in the game.

:confused:

It's too early to even make that claim useful... if they are scum they could say anything... and if they aren't scum we might still find them suspicious.

And as for my vote for beoneknight, I just figured I might as well vote for him because he is always picked to be mafia... at least he is always suspicious to me... heehee

:p

[GraveDigger]

well actually I think forcing a potential mafia member to claim his role before anyone else is the best way. That way we know he's dirty if he claims someone elses role, and he has no roles to avoid claiming. Plus if he's scum, and just invents a role name to fit in with the theme, and it doesn't sound right compared to our role names, we could easily identify a lie;)

How would a role claim be more useful later on compared to now?

He's got less than 24 hours, what do u guys say we do if he doesn't turn up?

[princessxy]

I want to know why everyone wants a role claim so early in the game. It's too early to even make that claim useful... :p

And now according to Daemon's theory (who by the way, neeeever theorizes)
What a scum would do: A scum would try and convince the other that we all should chat a little, get to know each other, what the heck, it's the first day, right? Why finding a mafia right from the beginning? Let's allow them as many free kills as possible. Let's wait for the info. Let's get all the investigators killed at night before that! Right? That's what everyone should really read in your words: "trying to get someone killed in the first day without any hard evidence".

You might be the next scum, trying to defend SunSun...
What do you have to say about that?

[GraveDigger]

well I'll be the first to ask for additional time. please

[Daemon]

Since when did this game revolve around you?
Even if the game would revolve around me, what doro5 should know is that he has to convince ME of his innocence before SunSun101 would eventually be found guilty. Obviously, the choice is his. And he did not do much convincing.

[Daemon]

Why should we wait? For SunSun to concoct a better role? IMO, Mafia just loves delay tactics, so why give them that instead of SunSun101 coming in and defending himself?

[Diplomat]

Even if the game would revolve around me, what doro5 should know is that he has to convince ME of his innocence before SunSun101 would eventually be found guilty. Why?
Why should we wait? For SunSun to concoct a better role? IMO, Mafia just loves delay tactics, so why give them that instead of SunSun101 coming in and defending himself? That doesn't make sense. Bad guys like to stall the daytime discussion. Delaying the deadline creates a drawback for them. One, it allows more people to join the bandwagon against them and two, it gives wrongly accused townies more time to defend themselves. So I'm not all that comfortable lynching someone who didn't show up to defend himself. More often than not, it turns out to be an innocent who simply forgot about the deadline.

[Daemon]

Well have it your way. I am waiting for SunSun to defend himself, but as for the deadline, I like it just the way it is. If pushing it means more chances for us to score a goal, so be it, unfortunately, IME, more often than not, people tend to take their votes off the mafia member coming up with a cool role, so I think the delay will serve SunSun after all, instead of pressuring him with the approaching deadline.

[mircione2001]

SunSun didn't say anything since he received the 3rd and 4th votes. I think he should come in front with some reactions.

About nights and days.. I wonder , if we are in space do we have day and night? :D

If the day will end in 12 hours (now it is 13:04) than nobody will get killed and no info found. This is in the advantage of the replicants because they have a chance to kill someone during the night.

I am also for additional time : 1 more day so sunsun will have time to post something.

I vote for SunSun so that he will have 5 votes and he can claim a role.

Behemoth:
SUNSUN101 - 3 (omni, Daemon, Diplomat)

GraveDigger
unvote slyryguy (who i'll try to get playing), vote sunsun101 (GD was only the 4th vote).

unvote Heffie

vote SUNSUN101

I 'd say to stop voting him until he will say something or the day will end.

[mircione2001]

I want to know why everyone wants a role claim so early in the game.

:confused:

It's too early to even make that claim useful... if they are scum they could say anything... and if they aren't scum we might still find them suspicious.



if they are scum and invent a role we can find later (not necessary right now) that the role was a lie. in my opinion it is better to have something insted of nothing.

[doro5]

Well, daemon, I never dropped my suspicions (of both of you):
im keeping my other eye on you, nonetheless. If you aren’t mafia, I should be able to take it away soon.
And I gave sunsun an ultimatum:
Now, ill give sunsun until the days end to post a comment regarding the recent evidence, or ill vote for him in full heart.
Which he failed. So, I vote sunsun. In full heart.
I am against additional time for the same reason that daemon stated.

[violinmaestro001]

I believe SUnsun has had already 5 votes, When Gravediggerposted the(no movre votes after his, Gravedigger). Now 6 with Doro's. Well one more needed, and its lynch time by the deadline. Is this what we all want?
I am against prolonging the day. I rather stick to the schedule.

[Daemon]

Even if SunSun would not be such a good candidate for the lynch, it would not be wise to skip the day without getting to know some new pieces of the puzzle. My sincere oppinion is that there won't be enought players to push the deadline anyway, so maybe what's best for us is for someone to assume the role of being a responsible townie and vote for SunSun, and I will take the blame for that. But there's not too much to do anyways in the mean time, since SunSun does not honour us with his presence.

[behemoth]

beoneknight - 1 (goddessofnin)
doro5 - 1 (Makk)
joesatri - 1 (beoneknight)
Makk - 2 (Dragosh, joesatri)

SUNSUN101 - 7 (omni, Daemon, Diplomat, mary, GraveDigger, mircione2001, doro5)

With 18 alive, 7 votes needed for deadline lynch, 10 for instant.
Deadline is set for this Friday by midnight (US eastern time) - which will be approximately 12 hours from the time of this post.

[princessxy]

I'm going to wait 2 more hours since this post for SunSun to come up with something, after wich I'm giving him my vote...

[SUNSUN101]

hey guys. sorry i havent gotten to post lately, ive been a bit busy. My role is very simple right now and it will get me killed later on in the game by the replicants if i tell it now. But i guese i have to. I know nothing more than one line about it, and that is, im the replacement if the Blade runner squad leader. When he dies i will get complete info about the role, but for now all i know is that the blade runner, or probably more since it is squad leader are very against repicants. So deamon today if i die, i think you should start to think of what everyone will be wanting to know, Deamon gets suspected by SunSun and then Deamon gets SunSun, the replacement of what might be the biggest townie role, killed.
o and another thing about is my last post was that i had three votes. omni, daemon and doro. i wanted to know why omni still had his vote on me and i was explaining to doro and everyone else why i had voted/asked for a role claim for daemon. If you look at the last part of my post Doro i do see how i looked like mafia maybe a little bit with asking for his role. so i hope that i have cleared it up and told you why i wanted to know his role and still do. Yes i also pointed some things out that was making me suspicous of deamons reactions, but not enough suspicion to get him killed on the first day.

sorry but i did misread your post about the whole the mafia thinks im a... and the townies think im a... i thought you said you were a cop. And that was the only thing that my argument on post 122 was for. So right now the only thing that makes you suspicous to me is that you are voting against me. then again that really isnt suspicion it just the you vote me i vote you game.
That's what everyone should really read in your words: "trying to get someone killed in the first day without any hard evidence". Do you really think I would be willing to stake my neck for a wrong lynch if I were mafia from the very first day? Nope, I wouldn't, and neither are you, that's why you withdrew your vote EVEN IF you think I'm mafia.
ok i guese i misread you and you misread me, i said this because someone else took the top spot on my mafia list. well this prob isnt the time to go accusing someone else but since we were noticing past trends, i also saw somthing. Beoneknight has only made one post this game. And itt was a vote and he left. The last time i saw him only post once during the day was day1 on a game(mafia 61) where it turned out he was mafia. Actually reading over it, it looks very similar to his mafia 61 behavior. Then he only came out of the dark when someone confronted him on it by voting him. But since i am getting all the votes he must be thinkin one vote cant hurt me. vote: beoneknight
well i hope this isnt going to be my last post of the game but i probably will not have any time to post in the next 24hrs. currently i am at work and then i have to go to a party tonight. so if it is goodluck.

[Daemon]

Well... as much as I would like to believe you, there are a few things that defy "townie" logic. Oh and BTW, you misspelled my name also.

1. Telling a role is not telling a name, but telling about abilities. You don't know any of yours. Of course you don't :).
2. Your role, though apparently integrated in the game environment, is somewhat redundant... while there are one or more blade runners, why replace just one of them?
3. You're a blade runner, let alone the replacement of the squad leader, and you don't know what you can do. Seems far-fetched.
4. As far as my movie knowledge goes, there was no squad leader in the true sense of the word. There were lone "rangers", some kind of legal hunters or bounty hunters chasing replicants and not some regiment of trigger-happy marines.
5. During an entire post accusing me, you've said nothing about the reason you unvoted me in that previous post, but now, apparently, there was a reason...

Unfortunately, there is something unclear to me, and I sent a mail to the mod. Unfortunately again, I don't know how much any response I get from her could help. But for now, I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU. confirm vote SunSun101

[HEffie]

Although he did mention that he's only a replacement and that the info will be given him once he's replaced the squad leader...sounds a lot like a cop type role where you're the replacement cop but a mere townie when you're not. I hesitate to vote him. He just seems to not be as thorough with his answers, but I don't think it neccessarily makes him mafia to the point where I'd full on vote him cause of it and lynch him.

[GraveDigger]

Thank god behemoth came along with a vote count, since a couple of you guys obivously can't count.
mircione- I had the 5th vote. yours was the sixth
violin- doro5 was the seventh

As far as my movie knowledge goes, there was no squad leader in the true sense of the word. There were lone "rangers", some kind of legal hunters or bounty hunters chasing replicants and not some regiment of trigger-happy marines.Did you see A Space Odyssey or Blade Runner? This game is based on both. In Blade Runner isn't Bryant the chief of the Blade Runner Squad? And it makes sense that he doesn't know his abilities yet, because he doesn't have any yet! Oh, and in his last post, the reason he gave for unvoting you was that he didn't have enough hard evidence.

Because the last couple of guys basically voted him just to join the bandwagon, I unvote sunsun101. I really don't know if he's lying or not. If there is a bladerunner squad leader, he can confirm sunsun, but there really isn't that much time for him to show up.

[Daemon]

GD, you know you have a tendency of believing practically every role you hear. I'm telling you, it's not logical for anyone to be a cop and even the replacement of the leader and not having any clues about what your role is about. He did not "reaveal" any abilities because he was afraid he'd choos some already taken, so he "legalized" his lack of enough data available needed for a credible role claim.

The major flaw of his claim is that there is no logical explanation for the mod not telling him the abilities of the one he would replace, and that there couldn't ever be conceived such a thing as a replacement for the boss but who does not know what the boss does.
And it makes sense that he doesn't know his abilities yet, because he doesn't have any yet!
No, he "has" them, he is just not allowed to use them yet. Like any replacement doctor, cop or whatever. My role, for one, besides the fancy game name, is very explicit in the "classical" way of describing the role. Example: If I were a blade runner, and that role had the abilities of a cop, my role from behemoth would sound something like: "you can use your ability of investigating a player you believe it's a replicant".

I'm telling you. My role does present certain aspects that deny contradict the existence of SunSun's claimed role. GD, trust me and put your vote back on him, and let me be the one that will unvote him so he won't die based on the clarifications I'm waiting from the mod.

[princessxy]

It's my last post untill the end of this day, and knowing that you have a lot of experience i'll trust you Daemon!
Vote SunSun ; that makes it the seventh vote and enough for a deadline lynch, so if in the next few hours you'll guys will find smth that proves he's not guilty I suppose one of you will take the vote off!

[SUNSUN101]

Deamon now i just dont get you. i cant tell whether you are a misled townie or are really mafia. im telling you right now it is a stupid idea to put my fate in your hands. if your mafia or a mislead townie if i die you because of you, you will be killed by the end of day 2. And i also beat you to why the mod doesnt want me to know the abilities of my role. At the beginning of the game i had asked the mod if i could know a little bit more of my role. And the mod told me that she would get back to me with the answer. well at anout 2:00 in the morning today, i recieved the answer. Unfortunatly since i was at work i didnt notice a new private message.So i posted without looking at it,the reason she does not want me to know my abilities is because she says it is important to the balance of the game that players dont know more about the role. i have just read it and do not know anything more. But i would like to mention that she did say players, so maybe there are more than just one. in my previous post just like now i do not know for sure that there is a squad or just one bladerunner but i believe there is. And again i strongly recomend that daemon does not get the ability to decide whether i get lynched today. Make your own decisions.

[GraveDigger]

Daemon, I don't think it really matters whose vote is on him, just the number of votes he has. It's funny because in the last game I modded I told sunsun he was replacement doctor, but didn't want to reveal any details until the first doctor died. Now that you're saying normally a mod tells the replacement what his abilities are/will be, I guess it's logical that sunsun101 got this idea of not knowing his abilitiy until the orginal person dies from the way I gave him a role in the last game. if in the next few hours you'll guys will find smth that proves he's not guilty I suppose one of you will take the vote off!I won't vote so we can leave it like this.

[GraveDigger]

I didn't see sunsun's last post


So i posted without looking at it,the reason she does not want me to know my abilities is because she says it is important to the balance of the game that players dont know more about the role. i have just read it and do not know anything more. But i would like to mention that she did say players, so maybe there are more than just one. in my previous post just like now i do not know for sure that there is a squad or just one bladerunner but i believe there is.sunsun101, you're very unclear. Come on man, I know you passed Advanced Sophmore English. It really looks like you're making this all up now. If your role is "blade runner squad leader replacement" than how come you're saying you don't know if there is a squad? You said you didn't know in your last post if there was a squad either. Well lets look at that.I know nothing more than one line about it, and that is, im the replacement if the Blade runner squad leader. When he dies i will get complete info about the role, but for now all i know is that the blade runner, or probably more since it is squad leader are very against repicants.So all you know about your role is that the blade runners are against the replicants. (?) You're not even sure if the squad leader you're going to replace is actually in charge of a squad. At first I thought you were just being your usual self, not communicating as clearly as you'd like. But this is too much. I really don't want you to die just because you can't write (I know that's happened before), but when you post contradictions you can't do much to save yourself

vote sunsun101

[joesatri]

Ok, let's go with the flow...

Unvote Makk

vote Sunsun

[SUNSUN101]

o wow talk about a bandwagon. well gd i have no idea what you dont get about it. Ive told you my role and that is all i know, i have told you the only thing that i know about my role. Even in the first post i said PROBABLY MORE than one, i never said i knew for certain. then last post i gave and more evidence that there might be more than one. I personally think there are more than one because if there werent then it would be "The Blade Runner" not "Blade Runner Squad Leader" i dont see what you got from the second post that would make me seem more like mafia. Ive been telling everyone all i know from my first post today and i dont see how that is confusing. im a backup, replacement, apprentice, whatever you want to call it, the mod calls me the reserve. If that helps any, all the people who are reserves know, so take your votes off :) I cant get any more info on my role because it will ruin the balance of the game whatever that means. It was the mods choice not mine. I am sorry if that sounds confusing but that is the truth and all i know.

[GraveDigger]

If my role was "Bladerunner squad leader reserve" , I wouldn't be wondering if there is a squad, because my role name implies it. I'd know that there is a squad and leader, and I'd keep my ground no matter what others say (unlike you). It seems like the only reason you're saying you're not sure if there are more bladrunners is because of this As far as my movie knowledge goes, there was no squad leader in the true sense of the word. There were lone "rangers", some kind of legal hunters or bounty hunters chasing replicants and not some regiment of trigger-happy marines. Daemon never said that there is only one, only that they are solitary (which still goes against your role), and because of this you say "well, I'm not positive that there are more, but I have a feeling..." My point is you're not consistent, and that's why my vote is on you.

[mircione2001]

Thank god behemoth came along with a vote count, since a couple of you guys obivously can't count.
mircione- I had the 5th vote. yours was the sixth
violin- doro5 was the seventh


yeah... i didn't see mary's vote.

I hope you're right guys. Anyway we will find out in a few hours.

[HEffie]

I'm leaning towards believing this guy and maybe I'm a little hesitant to be like princessexy who goes with the "guilty till prooven innocent" in a situation where this isn't possible. You sure have covered your bases though "going along with Daemon" and no, for those of you wondering, Daemon will not be lynched tomorrow even if Sunsun is mafia because he'll argue with you to the death that he had good reason to do so, even though all he's picked as is wording that's not very clearly mafia, at least not to me.
I don't see how you guys have good reason to lynch him for what he's said because he seems to not have had his role fully clarified and that's pretty typical of games and obviously, of replacement roles as GD has said.

[mary]

for now unvote sunsun .His role sounds like a positive one.I dont see how knowing more about his ability's can disrupt the balance of the game but i guess the mod knew why she decided to keep sunsun in the dark about the details of his role..if indeed she did say that.
what I want to know is how u daemon are so sure that it is impossible that he is in fact a replacement ..and also ...how are u so sure that the roles in this game are so much like the movie u were talking about..u can never know for sure what the mod was thinking when she sent out the roles but yet u seem to be so sure in ur posts,as if it would be impossible that sunsun is telling the truth.I'm not defending him as i still have my doubys about his innocence but than again there are other ppl who have raised a FOS.

[SUNSUN101]

im not wondering if there is a squad. i am saying that i think there is one and i believe one, i just dont know enough about my role to say for sure that there is one. I dont know why u cant get that but o well. I have nine votes now, if i counted correctly, in 6hours i will be dead if not instantly lynched with one more vote. so id just like to say you guys have made a big mistake in voting me and that i hope daemon will get killed in the next day since he so persuavesivly got everyone to vote for me on a misinturpreted post, which he turned everything i said around and then got 7 more people to vote me. this will be my last post of this game, unless somehow i dont die this day, so townies good luck and have fun blaming and killing daemon for this horrible screw up.
Until next game SunSun101

[SUNSUN101]

ok make that 8votes. Didnt see the last two post while i was typing.

[Diplomat]

I don't know, you guys. From Sunsun's role description, it sounds like he knows more details about the structure of the game than I think the replicants would know. I mean, would a replicant know anything about Blade Runner squad leaders and such? On top of that, his account of his communications with the mod sounds genuine. It would be a very dirty trick to make up dialog with the mod to use in your defense. I think very few people, if anyone, would have the audacity to pull that off. So I'm going to unvote: Sunsun. If I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time. We're just starting anyway.

[violinmaestro001]

Obviously, the people who voted SUNSUN just want him dead. Usually wether they are correct or wrong it really doesnt matter, it feels stupid to remove your vote after believing in doing the right thing even if you are wrong. No guts, no glory theory, but i feel different about this whole subject. As i have mentioned earlier, i do not think SUnsun is of a negative or mafia type, and i hold that idea still the same. Especially after his role claim. i do not agree with Daemon one bit about his reasoning for keeping his vote on, that its all BS as far as the role claim goes, and same to all who are in the bandwagon. IF Sunsun is of good nature, and he has the role he claims to have (future terms, in case he does take the role up) it surely will come in handy in the game.
I would suggest if we have a doc, keep him safe (that is if the votes fall below 7 wich i hardly doubt) and definately investigate him tonight. for if he dies for nothing, then Daemon is next, and i will vote him hard, no explanations needed. Now if im wrong about this theory, or belief, i appologize ahead of time.

[SUNSUN101]

ok guys 45mins till the deadline, and im about to leave in 5mins so this will officially be my last post of hopefully only the day. I have 7votes, Daemon that means you got what you wanted, your in the position to make the decision, along with the other 6 who have voted me. My list in order of suspicion goes joesatri, then beoneknight. joesatri because he made a bandwagon vote with no explanation. that vote has put me to seven votes. And can potentially kill me. And Beoneknight because of his inactivity and i want an explanation, and it better be good. Daemon is third but i only think he is a popular but misled townie who is accusing the wrong guy. He still can save himself from being lynched tommorow if he takes his vote off. I personally think the players who are mafia are the ones who are being quite and letting the townies fight amungst each other and just bandwaggoning. The seven of you who do have a vote against me i would like you to rethink why you are voting me because i am telling you that i am the reserve of the blade runner squad leader. The choice is yours to do what is right.
SunSun

[Daemon]

I'm gonna make my point today, so those of you that never had the guts to go all the way when you're cause is just to feel satisfied. Funny thing, violinmaestro says that it h's stupid to take off your vote if you think you're doing the right thing, and then he says he'll vote me hard if SunSun turns up innocent, like he did not vote an innocent player in his life. And he even sends all docs swarming after SunSun, so the rest of ust turns to cannon fodder.

But never mind violinmaestro and his last minute schemes. What's important for me and for us is that we had the nerve of taking charge of the game and not let petty quarrels and sneaky players mislead us. As for the reasons I'm sure SunSun is lying, I've given them time and time again. First of all, I told you, I am not 100% sure, I could have been that if I had the roles list, but I dont. The only thing I'm sure about is that, in my mind, everything points out to SunSun being mafia, and when that kind of song fills my head, I'm bound to dance by it.

About my debating to the death, rest assured now, I have the funny oppinion that every wrong lynch is a useful lynch nonetheless, because it gives people clues about those who voted him and the type of fight they fought, trying to think and bring evidences or opportunistically pushing one's band-wagon. So if you want to lynch me tomorrow if SunSun turns up innocent, go ahead, I will only fight against the arguments of those I believe to be replicants, and that only if I don't want to vote myself.

One last thing: I received the reply from the mod, and I'm still willing to go ahead with my vote. Sorry SunSun.

[behemoth]

beoneknight - 1 (goddessofnin)
doro5 - 1 (Makk)
joesatri - 1 (beoneknight)
Makk - 1 (Dragosh)

SUNSUN101 - 7 (omni, Daemon, GraveDigger, mircione2001, doro5, princessxy, joesatri)

[behemoth]

The active period, or day as they call it in remembrance of home, found the crew members engaged in various activities that didn’t seem to have much to do with the unexplained death of their colleague. In one room, for example, some crew members had been reacquainting themselves with the complexities of the keyboard and the subtle distinctions between ( ; : ô [ / ] †x. In others, some had simply been chatting their hours away. As time passed slowly by though, most began to feel the pressure mounting and to realize that denial of a problem does not make the problem go away... they know they will soon have to answer the call of the now unsafe hibernation pods, and until then, crew members have gathered on the main deck in a last-minute attempt to discover the cause of the fatal malfunction. The atmosphere is brimming with rumors... replicants are on board, wait, blade runner(s)? also.. what, a squad leader?... The crew members waver. Should they believe SUNSUN? But on a spaceship surrounded by darkness, can light have any hope of conquering? It is decided. The one so beautifully named after the faraway star they dream and dream about cannot possibly be what he claims to be. Or can he?

SUNSUN101, blade runner reserve squad leader, has died by crew consensus.

[behemoth]

A private room, stark and almost empty. Limited access. Two chairs and a table fill the emptiness. Also curtains, thick ones, the kind that make one fantasize about what they so assiduously hide from view. Nothing to give away that this is a spaceship. Except perhaps the sliding door with the elaborate control panel next to it. On the table, a strange machine that looks both progressive and antiquated. On one side of the table, against the curtains, a dark figure obscured by heavy smoke. Glass of whisky in one hand, cigar resting in the ashtray, the blade runner is adjusting some controls on the machine. At the other side of the table, taking advantage of the short pause from the stream of questions, Beoneknight wipes his forehead. His hand is quick and furtive, but those eyes, those damn eyes from across the table notice everything.
“So this Voight-Kampff test of yours.. how many questions does it take?”
“To distinguish replicants?... 20 to 30, cross-referenced..”
“We done then?”
“You in a hurry Beone? Think of this as a favor, with the pods so unsafe and all.”
Silence. More controls being adjusted. The blade runner speaks again.
“Well, consider my dilemma. Nothing replicantish about your answers, but maybe you could help me understand why your emotions are off the chart..?!
Silence again, broken only by the hum of the machine. The wavering look in Beone’s eyes is replaced by the hardness of a newfound resolve. He squares his jaw, straightens his shoulders, eyes deadlocked with the blade runner’s. The lowered hand below the table raises a plasma blaster. The blade runner’s metal is faster. Double-triggered, double-barreled, with old-fashioned bullets, it empties its charge into Beone’s treacherous heart.

Beoneknight, crew member who has joined the replicants, is found in a body bag in his now below freezing hibernation pod.

She wakes with a feeling of dread. As she climbs out of her pod, the deck’s subdued phosphorescent glow sends a cold shiver down her back and reminds her that as a child, she was so very afraid of the dark.
“HAL, please adjust light to daylight levels.”
“It is not yet waking time. I am sorry if this makes you feel uncomfortable.“
She tries to calm the surge of irritation that sweeps over her. She feels better when she notices that the pods to her right and to her left are also empty.
“That’s fine HAL. So why are we awake before the others?”
“A structural unit on Deck 7 has malfunctioned. According to protocol, a minimum of three ship technicians are needed for resting-time repairs.”
“All right HAL.”
She begins walking, and as she leaves the room, the corner of her eye registers a large patch of black in the pod where Beone should be sleeping. She shudders and remembers how in horror movies, the protagonists always seem to be looking for trouble and dive in where the creepiness is thickest. Not her. She decides she won’t even turn her head to double check. She arrives on Deck 7 and just then realizes how unnatural it is that the three of them hadn’t woken up together. But looking up at the control room and seeing the other two through the airtight window, she waves at them with a sigh of relief. The two wave back, and, strangely enough, they grin. Dazed, knowing something is terribly wrong, she watches the airlock door open and vaguely remembers something about loss of pressure. Three seconds later, her body is drifting slowly through space, surrounded by nothingness and perpetual night.

Heffie, ship technician and undercover blade runner, is reported by HAL as a death by accident while violating resting-time protocol.


DAY 02 lasts until Monday, June 26, by midnight.
With 15 alive, 6 votes needed for deadline lynch, 8 for instant.

[mircione2001]

good morning everybody.
I just received the email announcing that the new day has started. I hope I will not be suspected because I posted first.

[Daemon]

I guess this is payback time. First of all, sorry SunSun for digging your grave, looks like I'm gonna fall in there too, after all. But townies should stop playing like mafia! A townie should ask for info, not the role, when someone suggests he knows something about a player, you're interested in finding out stuff about guilty people, not sudden confessions of being a replicant! And townies do not start wondering "my role is blade runner squad leader replacement, but are there really more blade runners and is there really a squad?" and so forth.

Due to the fact that I was totally wrong about SunSun, (though I do not consider myself guilty one bit for doing what I believed it's right and obviusly not being the only one), putting together some stuff about the game, I reckoned I won't get through the night. Why? Well, what I was saying about my role primarily made me discard the less-than-confident defence of SunSun is that my role is that of Blade Runner. No "a", no "the". Unfortunately, the role name was capitalized, and no indication to the existence of more than one blade runner, let alone a squad and/or a squad leader. So I assumed I was the game's vigilante, Mr. Blade Runner. That's as far as my misleading goes to, because I late received the clarification from the mod that I was "a" blade runner, which I did not put much price on, and given the fact that I was up just before the mod closed the day, I think that's the biggest mistake I've made.

Now, I was sure there were great chances of me dying at night, whether SunSun was guilty and the replicants would have needed to get rid of anyone proven innocent, that being me, or whether SunSun was innocent, and another blade runner would try and avenge SunSun's death. But when SunSun turned up innocent, his attack on beoneknight did not seem to me like an attempt from a dying replicant to "discredit" one of his team mates, but really got me thinking. As afraid as I was of that, I decided B1Knight is playing exactly like the other times he was mafia, that is not posting at all. And I used my double barrelled extra long single use something on him last night, hoping to make a mence.

Funny thing is that it took 2 blade runners to die for us to realise that the game is more like a cops and robbers game. I would like to ask the remaining blade runners not to support my claims in any way, even if that means my death. I am now pretty useless from the night abilities point of view, and certainly am not worthy enough to trade my life for another blade runner's, and getting exposed as one of those would be a grave error. It's reassuring to know the replicants still have people to worry about.

[Diplomat]

Well, I gotta give it to you, Daemon. After being wrong about Sunsun (and Heffie), you've managed to redeem yourself. I'd say that was a pretty lucky move. I guess your innocense is confirmed too because it clearly says that Beoneknight was killed by a blade runner and I don't think a replicant would claim a vigilante's kill as his own.

As for Sunsun, we definitely should have extended the day. I don't think enough people had time to read his defense and unvote him. I told you, you can't fake that kind of story about conversing about one's role details with the mod. But that's OK. We're in pretty good shape.

I'll look over yesterday's discussion to try to find any leads.

[Dragosh]

Damn this is a hard game for me as a begginer (on this site at least) I can spot three <races>? but I can't really see who's who and so on... I'll leave it to the 'experienced' guys to point out the guilty and I'll just vote acordingly ;)

[omni]

I was going to vote for Beoneknight so now I have to see how it all unfolds, I have a feeling everyone will want to lynch Daemon and I admire him for his class shown so far, I won't make a vote just yet.

[mircione2001]

I was going to vote for Beoneknight so now I have to see how it all unfolds, I have a feeling everyone will want to lynch Daemon and I admire him for his class shown so far, I won't make a vote just yet.

Beoneknight, crew member who has joined the replicants, is found in a body bag in his now below freezing hibernation pod.

omni.. do you know that beoneknight is death?

[doro5]

An interesting situation were in. well, at least we have 1 replicant less.
Now, before the first hot issue of the day ("kill/don’t kill daemon") I must say something to Dragosh: Damn this is a hard game for me as a begginer (on this site at least) I can spot three <races>? but I can't really see who's who and so on... I'll leave it to the 'experienced' guys to point out the guilty and I'll just vote acordingly
That is not the way. If you weren’t a begginer I would vote you now. You must be a part in the day discussion, you can’t just wait for other people to think, and then simply vote.
If the game is too hard for you and you don’t like it, don’t play it!
And to the hot issue: unluckily, we can only vote one person at a time. So reason says we first vote the most suspicious player, and than the next one, and then the next one, etc. as much as I am tempted to vote for daemon because of his mistake, I must vote the most suspicious player in my mind first. So I vote joesatri. Why?
Ok, let's go with the flow...

Unvote Makk

vote Sunsun
That post, merging with the fact sunsun was actually innocent, clearly shows a bandwagon. Extremely obvious in my eyes.

[joesatri]

Duh. Of course that was a bandwagon vote! I made it VERY clear in that post ("let's go with the flow").

There was no way out for SUNSUN, and Diplomat, i don't think we should have extended the day. The outcome would have been exactly the same, but with a few more lost days..

Now going back to the previous day, i'm gonna go ahead and vote Makk.

[violinmaestro001]

Daemon, i must say, you are lucky that you posted before a lot of others posted with votes on you, inlcuding mine, and then have to come out and try to clear youself. But luckily you have done that without anyone asking you to do,even tolld us your role, which give you some credit. but what im not 100 % understanding is why you thought you were a vigilante and not a blade runner. didnt your role explain or tell you exactly what you are, that you had to assume something about it?
. Why? Well, what I was saying about my role primarily made me discard the less-than-confident defence of SunSun is that my role is that of Blade Runner. No "a", no "the". Unfortunately, the role name was capitalized, and no indication to the existence of more than one blade runner, let alone a squad and/or a squad leader. So I assumed I was the game's vigilante, Mr. Blade Runner. That's as far as my misleading goes to, because I late received the clarification from the mod that I was "a" blade runner,


From my past experience if you are the game's (savior)wheter on the town side or mafia, that person knows that he or she is THE ONE. there isnt if's about it
FOS DAEMON

[Professional_Widow]

Hello guys! I'm back, but not for long though. I read the posts on the forum and not everything is crystal-clear to me yet (I've got to read twice and pay more attention) but anyway as long as a replicant or such thing died that's pretty good... I've observed some things and I'm not gonna keep them for myself as I'll be gone at the end of this game-day too (it won't happen again I promise :D)

So ..'today' Dragosh caught my eye with his statement - it's very easy to say that and leave the guilt to the other players you know .. you gotta think for yourself no matter what. Also it appears this bandwagons aren't good for the 'townies' most of the time..

Then it was Joesatri who voted for Makk - I would like to know the reasons.

Daemon seems to be clean after all (for a couple of moments I thought he was mafia too, but his first post today made it clear to me he's ok).. and GraveDigger looks a little suspicious to me because of his behaviour the previous day - he was like negotiating the votes for SunSun both defending him in a way and accusing him at the same time or a little time after that.

I'm sure that there are others too that could add up to this short list, but, as I said, I've got to read again .. I don't want to start accusing everybody, even if I am kinda in the mood :D Next week I'll come and put all my forces to fight evil :) for now .. only these remarks (and I haven't said anything new :()

[mircione2001]

so.. what is a Blade Runner?

From you Daemon I understand that you've killed Beoneknight last night. Am I right? Also I understand that the BladeRunner has only one attack (Daemon used his attack last night and now he is powerless during the nights).

Daemon.. clarify me if I'm right or not.

[princessxy]

Morning crew! I don't know wether to be happy or sad! It looks like we're running out of ship technicians!

Looks like Daemon woke up very early and made sure that he posted before his accusers! Well, I guess the early bird does catch the worm!:D

Dragosh please come up with an explanation for your post... I feel very tempted to vote you, but I'll wait - being an unexperienced player I made pretty much the same mistake - trying to escape responsability! :P
JoeSatri why are you voting Makk?

[GraveDigger]

Interesting day so far. Good move posting your role Daemon. There should be no doubt about your innocence, not even this one:From my past experience if you are the game's (savior)wheter on the town side or mafia, that person knows that he or she is THE ONE. there isnt if's about it
FOS DAEMONI think Daemon made it clear that he didn't know if he was "the one" or "a savior". He obviously knew he had vigilante powers, he just didn't know if there were others like him. That's why he asked the mod, so he can verify the validity of sunsun's role claim.

[GraveDigger]

GraveDigger looks a little suspicious to me because of his behaviour the previous day - he was like negotiating the votes for SunSun both defending him in a way and accusing him at the same time or a little time after that.If you look at my posts I only changed my opinion about sunsun101 after he made more posts. I'll admit I was very indecisive, and was having second thoughts about very vote and unvote on him. I know how he plays so I was defending the way he was acting (because it was throwing some people off), but I was only accusing him when he started wondering about if there was a squad, after he made it clear that it was implied in his role.

[goddessofnin]

I am going to have to say:
vote SlyRyGuy

He has been rather quiet...

Also, I see no reason for people to be suspicious of Daemon... I am still a little confused about this particular mafia game because of the unique approach. Maybe it's just the story line which I find confusing.... but at this point, some of the things I've read don't quite add up. And I gotta say, you all should have agreed with me and voted for beoneknight this past game day... :P

[Daemon]

vote joesatri

Since me thinking seems a bad thing, and since I rarely had the opportunity of playing with joesatri, I decided to follow the master of band-waggons. So you're invited to join mine. No reason, really... Let's see where that leads us.

[omni]

I know beoneknight is dead hence why I need to see what unfolds. Might have to vote SlyRyGuy purely for that quiet factor, it's a bit suspicious.

[Professional_Widow]

There might be 2 bandwagons -or how you call them - now ..and many are quiet.. I suppose noone has found out anything important last night so we're not left with many clues. I'm also tempted to vote Joesatri, but firstly I want to hear what he has to say. I don't think that silence is a good reason for voting somebody out of the game at this point at least, but I agree that the players should be more interested in the game.

[Makk]

Hi, sorry for not posting for a while. I'm in a training camp and have limited access at i-net. But in a couple of days i'll be back home and I'll be more implicated in the game. Till then vote joesatri for voting me without any explanation.

[joesatri]

Right.

See Makk's posts in the game so far (below).

After reading the game, he's still my #1 suspect.

If you've got info on hand, you go by the info, but then again, mafia isn't about info. The discussions we have during the day, are meant to help us identify the replicants (in this case). Going over the thread, I had a hunch that Makk is a replicant, and i had to go by it (still got it).

His attitude in general is suspicious to me. I aint pointin' a gun to anybody's head to vote Makk, it was just a invitation to jump on this bandwagon.

I'm willing to push my luck with Makk, since i'm almost sure i'm right.

So there you go...


Heehee mircione u're funny man I feel so good voting Daemon , but unfortunately for the repli's I don't think he's a robot. So this isn't my final decision guys unvote daemon & i'm watching your next moves
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Diplomat
My vote is not in response to your vote for Violin.
I feel a kinda friendship over here ...somethin' like: you scratch my back, i'll scratch yours
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Vote dragosh - don't mess with me fellow I don't wanna make your first mafia here became a nightmare
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Deamon, Damemon....you have a lot of lambs to receive, Daemon !!! The fact is that he's very serpent...as like a Devil

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Professional_Widow
Why is everybody talking about previous mafia games? ..

just because ...and because we know @ this moment a little more than nothing

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mary
What's going on here people?Do we have absolutely nothing to go on?
I really feel like kicking some robot butt so robots:show yourselfs!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mary
so ..another player woke up,thats good news
good to know your your hibernation capsule isnt't malfunctioning and you're ok

Mary it seems like you are very impatient to find out some kind of robot...but you did nothing in that direction Only analysis...and not a very relevant one Maybe you are the robot and you're trying to lynch someone before the deadline !!! U have seven posts and no vote till now...I think you're trying hardly to act as like an innocent crew member who has no idea about what's happening around...having some kind of wrong exaltation...I dunno... unvote dragosh, vote mary
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instincts tells me that your instincts have failed
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Oh yeah...? Then...let's start the war !!! Unvote mary, vote joesatri, you want my role too soon my friend ! Let's see who's getting faster those five votes till the deadline !
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Quote:
Originally Posted by doro5
Joestari, Makk, your acting like idiots.

I don't think so....all is happening here has it's purpose...

Daemon said it for fun, but maybe you guys really are repli's as being digitized players! And for that reason unvote joesatri, vote doro5, in alphabetical order.
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Hi, sorry for not posting for a while. I'm in a training camp and have limited access at i-net. But in a couple of days i'll be back home and I'll be more implicated in the game. Till then vote joesatri for voting me without any explanation.

[behemoth]

joesatri - 3 (doro5, Daemon, Makk)
Makk - 1 (joesatri)
Sly Ry Guy - 2 (goddessofnin, omni)

With 15 alive, 6 votes needed for deadline lynch, 8 for instant.
Deadline is set for midnight on Monday, June 26.

[goddessofnin]

Pretty much everyone has said at least 1 thing except for SlyRyGuy.... so, if yu guys don't find that suspicious... *shrug* I don't know what else WOULD be more suspicious... except maybe someone who has been talking quite a LOT...

I would imagine that replicants would want to remain as quiet as possible though... you know... to try to blend in....

[GraveDigger]

I just remembered slyryguy told me a while back that he would be in washington dc on vacation during this period of time.

Joestari, I was temepted to vote for you in my last post, but without any good reason. It seems like Maak's posts are reason enough for you to vote him, so I guess I'll go along with your hunch. He isn't acting like he normally does.

vote Makk

[behemoth]

joesatri - 3 (doro5, Daemon, Makk)
Makk - 2 (joesatri, GraveDigger)
Sly Ry Guy - 2 (goddessofnin, omni)

With 15 alive, 6 votes needed for deadline lynch, 8 for instant.
Deadline is set for midnight on Monday, June 26.

[violinmaestro001]

the way you put things in perspective joesatri, about Makk, does show some hostility from his posting style. I do not know much about Makk, but maybee will find out. ITs not a bandwagon i jumping in, just in case your wondering.
Vote: Makk
Gravedigger, thanks for pointing out or clarifying Daemon's post. But i feel that Daemon wrote basically the samething you wrote, just with different wording. I know what he ment, i just didnt understand how he was confused, for an experienced player that he is, thats all. no finger pointings

[princessxy]

Well, I have to agree with JoeSatri about your behaviour Makk: very weird, very weird!
Was your purpose yesterday to vote all the players in the game?

[Makk]

Wow!!! I don't wanna be a bouncer...but my strategy really works :D !!! Now, I'm gonna say that joesatri did nothing but he lined up all my apparently senseless posts...well...I'm tellin' ya fellow...you are still wrong :) !

I don't wanna cop it like sunsun did, and I'll come with a stroke, like Daemon did yesterday. But, for distinction, I have some tough arguments. If you think that you can lynch me so easy...then you're very wrong :D Maybe I'm little caught right now, but not totally nonchalant.

Princessxy, you had luck when you don't voted me in your last post, 'cause I'm gonna vote the last person who joined at my carriage :D ! And that because who made a vote without to think is precisely a repli! Maybe I'm hazardous, but I accept to be lynched tomorrow if I fail today. Read this very carefully, and now there is no come back way! I'll do exactly the thing that daemon did yesterday with sunsun, and I'm asking daemon to sustain me in my enterprise.

I think I made myself clear for the people who knows what about I'm talking here ! Unvote joesatri,

Vote violinmaestro001 :D

[Daemon]

Well, Makk, I was gonna say I was pretty much inclined to vote you, but still a little afraid to do so due to my apparent over-reaction to one's posts (see SunSun's example). You are nothing like myself. Though you're asking for our support, like I did, you are not bringing any kind of reasons to the table. Yesterday, I was pointing out over and over again what I believed were mistakes of SunSun, and indeed they were...

But during the time when I decided to reply and the time the page loaded, I realised, that hey, I am down right suspicios of violinmaestro, whom you voted, so if you have anything to say against him, other than hunches, I'm all ears. Should they come in a non-satisfactory shape, you shall have my vote also.

[Makk]

the way you put things in perspective joesatri, about Makk, does show some hostility from his posting style. I do not know much about Makk, but maybee will find out. ITs not a bandwagon i jumping in, just in case your wondering.
Vote: Makk

What marked out joesatri here...??? I don't see any relevance :confused: And violin, you try to justify your vote didn't you :D ? Do you really think that I'm a greenhorn??? Come on...

Gravedigger, thanks for pointing out or clarifying Daemon's post. But i feel that Daemon wrote basically the samething you wrote, just with different wording. I know what he ment, i just didnt understand how he was confused, for an experienced player that he is, thats all. no finger pointings

Yeah...right...daemon talks encrypted...it seems like a blandishment to me that crap. You made a real huge mistake buddy...

[Makk]

But during the time when I decided to reply and the time the page loaded, I realised, that hey, I am down right suspicios of violinmaestro, whom you voted, so if you have anything to say against him, other than hunches, I'm all ears.

Daemon trust me, just like a good blade runner would do. At least modify your present vote ;)

[Diplomat]

Hey, Makk, I'm having trouble understanding a lot of what you're saying. It sounds like you're using machine translation to write English, which tends to generate very cryptic text. But the message that I do gather from your recent posts is starting to pass my scumminess tests. :) For example, you said: Maybe I'm hazardous, but I accept to be lynched tomorrow if I fail today. Read this very carefully, and now there is no come back way! I'll do exactly the thing that daemon did yesterday with sunsun, and I'm asking daemon to sustain me in my enterprise. From my experience, people who say they're willing to be lynched tomorrow if they're wrong today are more often just desperate bad guys looking to bring down a townie because they know they'll be killed anyway. You know there is a bandwagon building against you and you may be thinking you're gone anyway, so why not take down an innocent crew member with you? You're asking people simply trust you on faith and for Daemon to back you up without presenting any evidence. That sounds like a classic mafia maneuver. I have my own suspicions of Violin but how do we know that yours is anything more than a hunch? If you know something about Violin, why haven't you voted him from the beginning?

[Daemon]

Well... I'm not seeing you giving us any reasons for that. And what's up w/ this cryptic play? Are you trying to say that you know something, but w/ such a subtle tone that only the townies would catch this, and not the replicants? You're way past hints, either you have or you don't have something on violinmaestro.

[Makk]

From my experience, people who say they're willing to be lynched tomorrow if they're wrong today are more often just desperate bad guys looking to bring down a townie because they know they'll be killed anyway. You know there is a bandwagon building against you and you may be thinking you're gone anyway, so why not take down an innocent crew member with you? You're asking people simply trust you on faith and for Daemon to back you up without presenting any evidence. That sounds like a classic mafia maneuver. I have my own suspicions of Violin but how do we know that yours is anything more than a hunch? If you know something about Violin, why haven't you voted him from the beginning?

You are a clever guy, Diplomat. Right now you're trying to squeeze out some info from me, isn't it so?
Well, you all townies may do it my way or against me. But, in the 2nd case, at the end of this day you will wake up too late.

[princessxy]

Well, you all townies may do it my way or against me. But, in the 2nd case, at the end of this day you will wake up too late.

Is that a threat? I get the feeling that you're trying to seem like a blade runner, whithout being it! Cryptic messages that leave the impression you know something... If you really are a blade runner, why put yourself in danger, and become a target? Daemon is already exposed, why should you step forward and get yourself killed?

[Professional_Widow]

Makk what you're saying (and planning to do) is based on facts or on simple feelings and impressions?

[omni]

Unvote: SlyRyGuy Vote: Makk I don't take to kindly to threats, I'll take my chances on this one

[Makk]

I'm don't see you very well, guys... :( Am I so cryptic through my posts that I'm making myself so incomprehensible :confused: ??? Or there is a buncha active replicants who wants my head until the end of this day?

Nevertheless, in my defense I have two solid arguments: I have been voted today by two innocents. One of them is joesatri, the other is omni. I'm not afraid of replicants, you can target me the next night, guys, please target me, you'll make my job more facile :D ! But no, I will be lynched today because my men cannot read through the rows :mad:

This is the last time when I call Daemon, remember, it's part of our business!

[Daemon]

Well, your men are able to read between the lines, and so is the mafia. Whoever you might be, still, it's not you that we have to decide about, it's Violinmaestro. And if that's your way of saying that you indeed have something against him, ok, I'm willing to take another chance.
unvote joesatri. vote violinmaestro

[Daemon]

We're still good, we knocked down 1 replicant, that should leave about 3 or 4 more. We can manage. But Makk, there's no shame in not speaking a perfect English, but just to make sure we understand each other, please try and use shorter, simpler phrases.

[violinmaestro001]

Ok Makk. You might as well say it out loud,
Nevertheless, in my defense I have two solid arguments: I have been voted today by two innocents. One of them is joesatri, the other is omni.
That leaves me an Diplomat and Gravedigger as mafia players. Good strategy.
what i noticed from your posting is that you are combining Sunsun's style of writing with Daemon's style of writing to try to get people to believe you. Sunsun's pleading innocence combined with Daemon's strong belief asking all to help you in this your endeavor. Nothing wrong with that.
Now why did i vote you? you say
Princessxy, you had luck when you don't voted me in your last post, 'cause I'm gonna vote the last person who joined at my carriage ! And that because who made a vote without to think is precisely a repli!
oh i dont think i would post without thinking, matter of fact, what is there to add, after joesatri's post with all your comments in it? I don't think its needed to repeat all of them, but if you look at them also, you can see why people would vote for you. that's all. I do not know what you are, therefore your posting was suspicios and you have my vote. simple as that.

[Makk]

Violinmaestro, you gave me your vote in post #204, and princesxy posted after you, in #205. And after that I voted you. Your defence is senseless :confused: . Read it again.

[joesatri]

Perfect timing for a change of plans and....
... explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before. (http://www.videopipe.net/retro/22duvntso/themes/startrektngintr_155.wmv)

Unvote Makk and Vote violinmaestro

[princessxy]

Princessxy, you had luck when you don't voted me in your last post, 'cause I'm gonna vote the last person who joined at my carriage !

I don't like to rush into voting (or believing arguments, for that) ...
You joesatri and omni might as well be the replicants!
Tell me the truth (:D): did you take advantage of the fact that you heard Daemon said he doesn't know the other blade runners? :P
Don't mind me... I'm just stunned by your sudden change of style...

[princessxy]

Perfect timing for a change of plans.... to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before.

Unvote Makk and Vote violinmaestro

You seem way to eager to join different bandwagons! Actually you jumped in all of them! :)

[Makk]

Princessxy, if you think I'm a liar, then vote me...or you are speaking just to discredit me ?!?

[joesatri]

You seem way to eager to join different bandwagons! Actually you jumped in all of them! :)

Wrong. I STARTED the first one on purpose, and now i'm voting for violinmaestro, who now has 3 votes (Makk, Daemon and I).

When we're done with violinmaestro, GraveDigger will make a good candidate.

[violinmaestro001]

forgt to mention what to say out loud.
the mafia knows exatly whom is clean and whom is not. you either have an investigative role, or your mafia, trying to use Daemon's knowledge and use him as your cushion for your actions
Makk
But no, I will be lynched today because my men cannot read through the rows

This is the last time when I call Daemon, remember, it's part of our business!

Daemon trust me, just like a good blade runner would do. At least modify your present vote
Just like a good blade runner would do. That to me sounds communistic. sorry
And violin, you try to justify your vote didn't you ? Do you really think that I'm a greenhorn??? Come on...

Exaclty my point. I knew that someone would say that, that is why i put it there.
he way you put things in perspective joesatri, about Makk, does show some hostility from his posting style. I do not know much about Makk, but maybee will find out. ITs not a bandwagon i jumping in, just in case your wondering.

Just for you to clarify about Daemon for you Makk, out of assuming things Daemon misconcluded his role. That is what i wrote. GraveDigger's post wasnt the one that clarified things for me as you may think, since i wrote, "thanks for claryfind that" as in i already know that since Daemon said that himself. It was funny, i just didnt write it in. Do i have to? I dont think so since you took the bait on my vote for you, just as i thout someone would say something simply because i wrote it in purposefully, no coincidence.

I reckoned I won't get through the night. Why? Well, what I was saying about my role primarily made me discard the less-than-confident defence of SunSun is that my role is that of Blade Runner. No "a", no "the". Unfortunately, the role name was capitalized, and no indication to the existence of more than one blade runner, let alone a squad and/or a squad leader. So I assumed I was the game's vigilante, Mr. Blade Runner.
Gravedigger
I think Daemon made it clear that he didn't know if he was "the one" or "a savior". He obviously knew he had vigilante powers, he just didn't know if there were others like him. That's why he asked the mod, so he can verify the validity of sunsun's role claim.
ME
im not 100 % understanding is why you thought you were a vigilante and not a blade runner. didnt your role explain or tell you exactly what you are, that you had to assume something about it?
Makk

Yeah...right...daemon talks encrypted...it seems like a blandishment to me that crap. You made a real huge mistake buddy...

Who said Daemon talkes encrypted? Blandishment that crap?your assuming things , you dont even have to read through the lines here, its all clean writing, no codes.

[violinmaestro001]

Makk
Violinmaestro, you gave me your vote in post #204, and princesxy posted after you, in #205. And after that I voted you. Your defence is senseless . Read it again.
i dont think i know what your are thinking about here. Defence? there is no word of defence in post 204.or any relativity to post 205.and then your vote. I dont see a connection

[Makk]

Just like a good blade runner would do. That to me sounds communistic. sorry.

Lol violinmaestro!!! When I was born, the communism was onto it's full development :)


Just for you to clarify about Daemon for you Makk, out of assuming things Daemon misconcluded his role. That is what i wrote. GraveDigger's post want the one the clarified things for me as you may think, since i wrote, "thanks for claryfind that" as in i already know that since Daemon said that himself. It was funny, i just didnt write it in. Do i have to? I dont think so since you took the bait on my vote for you, just as i thout someone would say something simply because i wrote it in purposefully, no coincidence.

I know what I am and I know what Daemon is :D ! You are trying to make Daemon to doubt himself about his role ?!? Ha-ha !!!

Who is acting now like a desperate one ???

[violinmaestro001]

I know what Daemon is, everyone knows. im not sure what you are though. what i do know is that you are still using Daemon as your backup.
lol, about communism, then we have something in common, i was raised in it and saw the fall of it too, just like you did :p

[violinmaestro001]

Desperate acting? hardly.i have facts, what do you have? a puppet whom you stringed up by your side? thats desperate

[Daemon]

Gee, thanks, VM! :) So that's what people who are not afraid to make a choice are called nowadays.

[Diplomat]

Guys, I just had an epiphany. Something has occured to me about last night's events and I took Daemon's role claim for granted without realizing this before. It may be substantial or it may be nothing. So here it goes. We know that Beoneknight was killed by a bladder runner, as shown in this quote: The blade runner’s metal is faster. Double-triggered, double-barreled, with old-fashioned bullets, it empties its charge into Beone’s treacherous heart. So the blade runner is a vigilante. We also know that Heffie was a blade runner, as indicated by: Heffie, ship technician and undercover blade runner, is reported by HAL as a death by accident while violating resting-time protocol. But who was the blade runner that killed Beone? I see three possibilities:

1. Daemon is telling the truth. He was the one that killed Beone. The Blade Runner title can refer to different role types. A blade runner can either refer to a vigilante or to other roles.

2. Daemon is telling the truth. There are multiple vigilantes among us, each called Blade Runner. But is that likely?

3. Beone was killed by Heffie on the same night that she herself was killed. That would mean Daemon is lying, and Blade Runner is a vigilante and all other roles have different names. Perhaps other roles have "blade runner" in their titles, but the titles are modified, such as in Blade Runner Squad Leader. When I think about it, this is a lot like Daemon's behavior when he's mafia, trying to establish a role for himself early in the game and hiding in plain sight. (I'm specifically thinking of that Political Mafia.) So if this is the case, Daemon & his replicant buddies killed Heffie last night. When the day started, Daemon saw what happened to Beone and took the opportunity of simply assuming Heffie's role. He must have known about the abilities of a blade runner. The stage was set by Sunsun when he mentioned that there may be multiple Blade Runners, which he wasn't sure about. It does say Heffie was an undercover blade runner, but that may not matter because the front page says HEffie - blade runner - thrown out into space without suit on NIGHT 02

I'm actually inclined toward the third possibility because it would make Daemon's role consistent with his reckless behavior yesterday. Furthermore, the summary of last night says nothing of the gender noun of Beoneknight's killer, while it refers to Beone as "he" or "his". The killer may as well have been Heffie. Also, why was Daemon paranoid about being lynched today? I'd like for Daemon to clear this up before I either vote him or move on to the next issue of the day. But I have a good feeling about this. It doesn't seem likely to me that Blade Runner is both vigilante and something else, or that there are multiple vigilates.

[Makk]

Lol, Daemon as my backup ?!? I can't believe that :) :confused: :D ...

[Makk]

3. Beone was killed by Heffie on the same night that she herself was killed. That would mean Daemon is lying, and Blade Runner is a vigilante and all other roles have different names. [...] So if this is the case, Daemon & his replicant buddies killed Heffie last night. When the day started, Daemon saw what happened to Beone and took the opportunity of simply assuming Heffie's role. He must have known about the abilities of a blade runner. [.....]
I'm actually inclined toward the third possibility because it would make Daemon's role consistent with his reckless behavior yesterday. Furthermore, the summary of last night says nothing of the gender noun of Beoneknight's killer, while it refers to Beone as "he" or "his". The killer may as well have been Heffie. Also, why was Daemon paranoid about being lynched today? I'd like for Daemon to clear this up before I either vote him or move on to the next issue of the day. But I have a good feeling about this. It doesn't seem likely to me that Blade Runner is both vigilante and something else, or that there are multiple vigilates.

Yes, of course :D !!! I agree with you....:D...The fact is that you and violinmaestro defended one each other since yesterday!!! I'm telling you that I know my men :D

And if I die next night, it will be known another dizzy replicant :D !!!

[Daemon]

Hahaha Diplomat! You're something else, you know that? Well how comes that your epiphany only applies to half of the mod's morning post?

-First of all, as you can see, there are two different stories, one clearly earlier on the time-line then the other. Heffie did wake up after Beone's death. Heffie is clearly mentioned in the second story, but the name of the blade runner from the first is not.
-Then, the story line itself. If Heffie would have killed a mafia member, the story should have looked something along these lines: "Heffie was tracking down a replicant, and the minute she shot him, one of his replicant friends came out of the darkness and avenged his comrade".
-Of course, there's this... insignificant fragment of the story. But I suppose it's just a fluke from the mod's part, right?
She begins walking, and as she leaves the room, the corner of her eye registers a large patch of black in the pod where Beone should be sleeping. She shudders and remembers how in horror movies, the protagonists always seem to be looking for trouble and dive in where the creepiness is thickest. Not her. She decides she won’t even turn her head to double check.
Why doesn't she say "She shudders and remembers how she dragged Beoneknight's sprouted body back in the pod, and then washed the blood off the floor, and then she took a shower herself, and then she has gone to sleep, and then she woke up again though she did already do her thing that night, and then when she walked by the corpse of the one she murdered she did not know anything about that and she was shivering with horror of what might have happened to her if she walked to close to the dead body of the replicant she just interrogated and killed, face to face. So she decides she won't even turn her head to double check if that stain of blood on the pod of the man she shot was indeed the blood of the replicant she killed or just some dark gooey blob that dropped from the ceiling."

Well, isn't that a so much cooler story?

And isn't it funny how, after your first-poster theory is gone down the drain AFTER doing the damage you intented in the first place, the theory of Daemon declaring a role early in the game as mafia might be also discarded AFTER Daemon dies as a "good" blade runner that he is? But what if Daemon does not play like mafia when he's innocent, but tries to immitate his innocent behaviour when he is mafia?

That's a post I shouldn't have made. You shouldn't have imagined it all by yourself and spare me the trouble. Unless you're really delusional in believing I can take the chance of claiming the kill of another blade runner that might not have been Heffie.

[violinmaestro001]

Makk, would you be so kind as to quote me where i defended up Diplomat ?
The fact is that you and violinmaestro defended one each other since yesterday!!! I'm telling you that I know my men
I can not recall any such line, because i did not defend him. Now if he chooses to defend me thats his problem not mine. Dont try to put people on me for no reason.
Besides i find it dubios what Diplomat posted recently about Daemon.
let's see what i found going back to post 54 about me writing abot Diplomat
interesting. i see parts of Diplomats point of theory on voting the first person to write a post. but that is it. the rest is off. so its just a random vote based on who's first=mafia.but one vote wont get sunsun killed, so its of no importance anyways, and i dont think anyone is buying your theory Diplomat, therefore it doesnt matter,but you ohave a right to believe what you want to.Thas my 2 cents on the subject, end of story.
i think its time to drop this subject since its not going anywhere.
note, no comforting for Diplomat in this post comming from me, and that goes back all the way to day 1. then back further more to post 33 in refference to my name being mentioned by Diplomat

Quote:
Originally Posted by SUNSUN101
unvote:violinmaestro001 hey diplomat do you want to explain your vote a littile bit more? Because i dont see how my random vote turned into me being mafia, and deserving two votes? especially the "semi-random" vote by you? and also daemon and heffie, i would like to know what daemon was talking about when he first voted heffie.

OK, let me elaborate. If you look at the last two games in EC (and I hate stepping out of my role to refer to past "games"), games 53 & 58, you'll see that the first players to post in each of those threads were the mafia. My guess is that it was their way of scoring points. I noticed that trend way before I even signed up for this one. My intention was to vote for whoever posted first next time if there wasn't anyone better. Right now, voting for you seems better than a pure random vote. My vote is not in response to your vote for Violin.

again, Diplomat wrote that not me. So your last line in your post has no ground, again. Facts

[violinmaestro001]

since yesterday? i think you should reconsider posting without carefully reading the posts regarding speciffic events, with specific accusations and no ground to stand upon.

[Diplomat]

Yeah, I guess that paragraph does say that she thought they were on the same side. Didn't read it slowly enough. Never mind, then. But glad I could entertain you. :)
Yes, of course :D !!! I agree with you....:D...The fact is that you and violinmaestro defended one each other since yesterday!!! I'm telling you that I know my men :D Huh?! What are you talking about? I can't speak for Violin, but that's either a blatant lie or pure bluff.

[behemoth]

joesatri – 1 (doro5)
Makk – 3 (GraveDigger, violinmaestro001, omni)
Sly Ry Guy – 1 (goddessofnin)
violinmaestro001 – 3 (Makk, Daemon, joesatri)

With 15 alive, 6 votes needed for deadline lynch, 8 for instant.
Deadline is set for midnight on Monday, June 26.

[GraveDigger]

Wow.. it seems like some people just became stupid all of the sudden. Can I have an explanation from either Makk, Joestari, or Daemon why you guys have your vote on violinmaestro? that would be helpful.


Lol, Daemon as my backup ?!? I can't believe thatWhat I think violin meant is that you're using Daemon (someone we all believe to be innocent) to back you up. You appealed to him through things like this:

I'm asking daemon to sustain me in my enterprise.Daemon trust me, just like a good blade runner would do.This is the last time when I call Daemon, remember, it's part of our business!I know what I am and I know what Daemon is !
It's obvious that you're trying to make yourself innocent in our eyes by tying yourself to an already innocent player. Unfortanately, Daemon already made it clear that in his role there was "no indication to the existence of more than one blade runner," so I would stop trying if I were you. I would stop trying to trick dumb townies with futile phrases like "our buissness." The only buissness you guys have together is during the day, so there is nothing hidden that you can be referring to. And during the day, Daemon made no indication that he's your partner or has a connection with you in anyway.

I posted only sentences in which you referred to Daemon, but really all your posts have phrases that are confusing and misleading. I have no clue why Daemon and Joestari are following you (well I could guess why Joestari is), because to me you reek of guitiness. confirm vote makk

[princessxy]

I know what I am and I know what Daemon is !

Dar vai! What a coincidence! I know what I am too!!!

Princessxy, if you think I'm a liar, then vote me...or you are speaking just to discredit me ?!?
I wasn't trying to discredit you, I was trying to make you and Joesatri speak. Wich I succeded! I cannot discredit you, I have no info, you are the only one who can discredit himself by what you say... so far you're doing a pretty good job - and violinmaestro too!

[Makk]

Unfortanately, Daemon already made it clear that in his role there was "no indication to the existence of more than one blade runner," so I would stop trying if I were you. I would stop trying to trick dumb townies with futile phrases like "our buissness." The only buissness you guys have together is during the day, so there is nothing hidden that you can be referring to. And during the day, Daemon made no indication that he's your partner or has a connection with you in anyway.

Are you drunk gravedigger??? Excuse me, but if you'll read carefully captain's log, will see that Heffie was a blade runner, too! And for those who can't see very well: I KNOW MY MEN !!! Happy now :D ?

[Makk]

Dar vai! What a coincidence! I know what I am too!!!

"Dar vai" ??? This is not English :D

I wasn't trying to discredit you, I was trying to make you and Joesatri speak. Wich I succeded!

Oh yeah!!! I am sure that you succeeded ;) I'm waiting for you tonight to kill me :D

[Makk]

I have no clue why Daemon and Joestari are following you (well I could guess why Joestari is), because to me you reek of guitiness. confirm vote makk

I'll see tonight what a saint you are, gravedigger ;)

[princessxy]

"Dar vai" ??? This is not English

No, but english doesn't have a proper corespondent for tzaran in spania!
Oh yeah!!! I am sure that you succeeded I'm waiting for you tonight to kill me :D

Yeah, just go ahead and label me!
Just because i started to have opinions??? Just because I'm being cautious? I'll have to announce you that this is only my second mafia game... that explains why sometimes I'm lost, or I ask ilogical questions!:D
We all have to learn!

[Makk]

No, but english doesn't have a proper corespondent for tzaran in spania!

I think they are called rednecks :D

I'll have to announce you that this is only my second mafia game... that explains why sometimes I'm lost, or I ask ilogical questions!:D
We all have to learn!

And for me, this is my third game here... :p But don't worry, I'll check gravedigger tonight, it seems like he posted under the influence of alcohol this morning :D

[GraveDigger]

Makk, I think you misunderstood me. I never meant to say that there are no bladerunners other than Daemon, I just wanted to say that there is no way you could know that Daemon is a bladerunner other than from his role claim at the beginning of today. Before, you implied he's on your team based on information you got privately, which I doubted because Daemon said he never got information about his fellow bladerunners (and heffie never acted like she did either). That's all I meant by my last post.

But now I see that you're trying to claim the role of Squad Leader. Sorry I didn't catch on earlier. After rereading your posts this is what I determined of you role:

invulnerable
knows all bladeruners (even if they don't know other bladerunners)
can investigate

That's a pretty powerful role. I see you laid low the first day (even though you're invulnerable) and came out only after Daemon's role claim (which makes you sort of suspicious). I'm trying to be subjective here... but I'm not convinced enough to take my vote off. I'll do some more thinking.

[Makk]

Sorry gravedigger but that explanation don't makes you suddenly a good guy in my eyes. If you were clean, you shouldn't reveal my skills over there; it has been better to keep that info for yourself and just unvote me...I will still check you tonight. let's see if you are something to hide...

[GraveDigger]

First of all, I wasn't trying to become "good" in your eyes, I just wanted to make sure you understood me, and in the process I understood you more.

Why wouldn't I reveal your skills if I were clean? Anybody who reads carefully can see them, but if you're invulnerable why would it matter? I guess someone can block your investigative ability, but I really didn't help them in that case since you just mentioned for the third time that you will be investigating me tonight.

Can you clarify why you're voting for violinmaestro?

[Daemon]

Nobody is revealing anything. GD just listed the things you yourself told us. Though it amazes me how you keep hoping that the only ones reading and understanding your role and ablities are the townies and not the mafia too :). What do you think, the replicants are stupid? Or they just stoopid?

And why are you afraid of a little clarification, anyway, since you welcome replicants to try and kill you?