Mafia 69- The Werewolf’s Howl [Archive]

doro5

Thu 17th Aug 2006, 22:20

In a house near the edges of town, a man lives his silent life. This night there is a knock at the door. The man comes to the door, thinking of the worst. He opens the door, and then all his fears come to him. “Oh, its you, well, please enter” he says to the man, while wiping a tear of sweat from his forehead. The strange man sits on the sofa and begins to speak. The first man sits on a chair next to a drawer. At some point, the doctor asks him “why are you so sweaty?” the man does not reply. He reaches for the drawer and opens it. “What are you doing?” the doctor asks. The man replies. “this.” He takes the gun from the drawer and shoots gravedigger in the chest. “I don’t need a doctor.”

Gravedigger, doctor, has been shot

Later that evening, in the same house, another knock is heard. The man finishes cleaning the blood stains from the sofa, and opens the door. “No…please…you don’t understand, it’s clinical! I didn’t mean to! Please don’t take me to prison!” a shadowy figure in front of him says “who’s talking about prison?” and smiles. The man is now even more horrified. The figure suddenly twists and turns while the man is saying prayers. "Are you ready to face a real daemon?” the werewolf asks.

Daemon, poor townie with a fear from doctors, has been shredded to pieces by a werewolf.

It is now DAY 1 until Thursday, 24/8, at midnight.

Daemon

Thu 17th Aug 2006, 23:24

GG GD, you're lucky you died, otherwise I would have voted you! :). GL TOWN!

behemoth

Fri 18th Aug 2006, 00:41

Interesting story. If I understand this right, Daemon is a paranoid townie who kills the doctor and is then killed by a werewolf. This means that the werewolves were afraid of Daemon, and this is where knowledge from previous games can come in handy. Perhaps some players have the habit of targeting high profile players at the very beginning (though their victory would be much more interesting if they applied the opposite strategy). Let's hope this isn't gonna spark a never-ending argument about how we can't base this on previous games etc., etc., but it's just as good a start as any.. so if this scenario strikes a familiar chord to anybody, share it with us..

p.s. to any ghosts that might loom around: educated guesses are better than purely blind ones; sometimes it might be worth waiting a day or two before choosing a target (if you have that option)... but perhaps your role didn't allow you to wait..

well regardless, random vote violin

behemoth

Fri 18th Aug 2006, 01:15

Never mind about my post scriptum... I just thought of another possiblity... maybe Daemon's role was such that he would kill the doctor if the doctor tried to save him... haha, "it's clinical" ..... but n-ways.. that means the roles in this game are pretty weird

violinmaestro001

Fri 18th Aug 2006, 06:55

hmm, ok so no random vote from me yet. its to early. hi behemoth, thanks for showing that you miss me, i appreciate that from your random vote. hihi

omni

Fri 18th Aug 2006, 08:31

Hmm, interesting that both are innocents, and what weird circumstance. I'm going to have to watch for a while and see what others do.

princessxy

Fri 18th Aug 2006, 09:49

"Clinical" dead men don't speak Daemon, even if they're deamons or admins... whatever! :)

Creepy story, interesting and... well, weird! I'm under the impression that we're going to have to think outside the box for this one.

violinmaestro001

Fri 18th Aug 2006, 16:25

Omni...
Hmm, interesting that both are innocents

well yes, indeed interesting, but "poor townie"... had a gun, so he was more like a vigilante townie, that chose the wrong target. what is interesting, is that both 2 charcacters went to the same house to kill the same person.
daemon and the wherewolf. Gravedigger must have been too good of a player or something to be this popular in the fist evening.
Princessxy...
"Clinical" dead men don't speak Daemon, even if they're deamons or admins... whatever!
well i have observed that lately the dead have posted a post mortum inscripion in the games, a new trend perhaps? :o
as a wakeup call i vote my good friend Beoneknight

princessxy

Fri 18th Aug 2006, 18:29

Wait a minute, if Daemon was a vigilante and he chose his target - gravedigger, then why would he say with his last breath:

GG GD, you're lucky you died, otherwise I would have voted you! . GL TOWN!

It just doesn't make sense, unless things are like Behemoth said:

maybe Daemon's role was such that he would kill the doctor if the doctor tried to save him... haha, "it's clinical"

Well, what do you say?

beoneknight

Fri 18th Aug 2006, 18:41

Morning.

The only two options which i see (and they were presented above) are: 1)daemon is a vigilante that was forced to shoot blind. 2) he was some type of Anti - doctor, so he would kill the doctor if he tried to save him. Either way they sound really weird to me, but i'm leaning closer to the second one.

just to hear more opinions about this: vote diplomat

violinmaestro001

Fri 18th Aug 2006, 19:26

good morning beoneknight. Unvote Beoneknight moving on th the next random morning call Vote Sunsun101
the story is pretty simple as far as what happened and the conclusions to be drawn
“I don’t need a doctor.”

Daemon, poor townie with a fear from doctors
so its obvious that he had a fear from the doc's and hes targets were to kill doctors if he found one in his way...somehting like that. But lets focus on the future haha

Diplomat

Fri 18th Aug 2006, 22:07

Yeah, I agree with Behemoth (and Beone's 2nd option) about Daemon's function. If the doc tried to save him, it's like he would be stepping on a mine. But if that's the case, then this wasn't a very fair setup for the town. It virtually guaranteed that the doctor would get killed through no intervention of the werewolves, especially with the doctor-phobic character being Daemon. I think what should have happened instead was that all 3 parties should have done their job. The doc should have saved Daemon, before being shot by him. The werewolves would have also done their job, but unsuccessfully. Well, either that, or Daemon's role should have been ineffective on the first night to give him time to tell the doctor to avoid him. Oddly enough, this first night may have secured a victory for the werewolves.

well yes, indeed interesting, but "poor townie"... had a gun, so he was more like a vigilante townie, that chose the wrong target. what is interesting, is that both 2 charcacters went to the same house to kill the same person.
daemon and the wherewolf. Gravedigger must have been too good of a player or something to be this popular in the fist evening. I think you got it backwards. It's GD, the doc, who chose to protect Daemon. He went to Daemon's house, not the other way around. That's why I say Daemon should have been saved because both GD and the werewolves chose the same guy. I think Daemon was the opposite of a vigilante.

behemoth

Sat 19th Aug 2006, 01:24

That's why I say Daemon should have been saved because both GD and the werewolves chose the same guy. I think Daemon was the opposite of a vigilante.
Yeah, that's what should normally happen. That's why the only thing that makes sense would be that Daemon's role had an inborn aversion to doctors so that he would kill the doctor as well as block his save. Kind of a werid paranoia.
But what exactly did you have in mind about his being the opposite of a vigillante?

behemoth

Sat 19th Aug 2006, 01:24

I forgot to mention that I'm out of town and will only be back Monday.... I might not be able to get on again until then.

mary

Sat 19th Aug 2006, 01:41

Well I certainly didnt see that coming...2 deaths in just one day..
yeah..I'm on the same page with diplomat here...since daemon was doc phobic..that means he would have shot the doctor who tried to save him...which means..that eventhough he had a townie role...its partly negative...maybe because of daemons role there are less wherwolves ...so were dealing with....what..about 3-4 wherewolves?Or what would be the avredge number of mafia for 11 players?
so....first random vote copil cause hes the only one who hasnt said anything yet:)

violinmaestro001

Sat 19th Aug 2006, 04:05

I agree diplomat, you were right, i just re read the mods post and it was GD who chose to save Daemon. My bad. but still it makes sense that Daemon shot the doc, he was afraid of the doctors, so his job was to kill the doctors. He wasnt a wherewolf, that is clear, he was human. It is an odd situation that we have such a role in this game, but that just makes it more interesting i think. why always have the same kinds or roles? This just adds to the curiosity of the other roles, besides doctors and wherewolves.
Diplomat.
He went to Daemon's house, not the other way around. That's why I say Daemon should have been saved because both GD and the werewolves chose the same guy. I think Daemon was the opposite of a vigilante.
this is also why Daemon was not saved, because he was supposed to shoot the doctor, therefore the doctor could not save him. Please re read the mod's post about daemons description and that explains why he killed the doc and why also the doc didnt save him.
what do you mean by "opposite of a vigilante?" I mean a vigilante chooses his target not knowing who that target is , meaning his shooting in the dark. he may kill a negative persona if its later in the game and we have some knowlege on somebody, but in this case it was to early to tell who's who, other than the simple explanation that he was a simple townie who was afraid of the doctors and if he came in contact with one, he would kill the doctor. If anything is perhpas a traitor-vigilante combination that works against the town by killing all doctors whith whom he gets in contact. That is all we can know by the description given from the story.

violinmaestro001

Sat 19th Aug 2006, 04:20

diplomat
Oddly enough, this first night may have secured a victory for the werewolves.
i dont think you are right about this one. we got rid of a person who eventually would have killed all the doctors, if he wasnt killed, thus helping the wherewolfs and making things easier for them. If anything like i said he was perhaps a traitor townie-vigilante, if you please, working for the wherewolfs in one way or the other. why else would we have such a role which is doing killing on behalf of the wherewolfs on purpose?and not the other way around?
He takes the gun from the drawer and shoots gravedigger in the chest. “I don’t need a doctor.”
Here is your explanation why the doctor couldnt kill him and also why in fact daemon killed the doctor. it was his job to do that.
Daemon, poor townie with a fear from doctors, has been shredded to pieces by a werewolf.
again, he was a townie, but with a gun as we know, and normal townies dont have a gun unless they are of vigilante role.
so we lost a good doctor but we also lost a player that was going to harm the town in the long turn if kept alive.
thats all there is to it.
Princessxy
if Daemon was a vigilante and he chose his target - gravedigger, then why would he say with his last breath:

Originally Posted by Daemon
GG GD, you're lucky you died, otherwise I would have voted you! . GL TOWN!
Daemon was already dead when he posted this. He wasnt supposed to post after his own death, but like i said i think its a new trend that dead people post after their death .i have seen this in the last 2 mafia games played recently, so dont try to make any sense out of it because he was already dead and his post doesnt count or amount to anything. Is just something that happens lately, and i dont agree with that but thats how it turned out, so dont take it into consideration. It was posted after his last breath. If you want to think about it that way. :)

Diplomat

Sat 19th Aug 2006, 08:19

VM, I know that the story says that Daemon shot GD before the werewolf's attack, and that's why GD couldn't save him. I don't mean to beat a dead horse here, but last night's events didn't have to occur in that particular order, did they? In particular, I'm imagining that it could have taken a sequence of something like this instead: the werewolf comes to Daemon's house and attacks him. Then some time later the doc happens to stop by, and finds Daemon half-dead. (He didn't have to be torn to pieces.) The doc operates on Daemon, saving his life. Then Daemon somehow wakes up several hours later on the same night, and in a dazed and confused state shoots GD in the face. But then again, maybe I'm making too many assumptions about this game.

It's not that important, but all I meant by "the opposite of a vigilante" was that, unlike the goal a vigilante, which is to kill a bad guy, Daemon's apparent "goal" was to kill a doctor. And also, a vigilante has to seek out the enemy while Daemon's character acted in a passive way, meaning he didn't have to pick anyone.

i dont think you are right about this one. we got rid of a person who eventually would have killed all the doctors, if he wasnt killed, thus helping the wherewolfs and making things easier for them. Uh, what do you mean "we"? I didn't help get rid of Daemon. :) Was that some kind of a slip-up? But anyway, if Daemon survived the first night, he could have asked the doctor not to protect him.

copil

Sat 19th Aug 2006, 08:32

'morning everyone.
vote back mary. :) i never had the chance to vote u before.
it is very weird what happend last night and it's just the begining:) i will be bac.

PS: for 2 days i won't be very active. after that u'll see me here every day with a few posts.

violinmaestro001

Sat 19th Aug 2006, 08:33

i guess what i ment by we, as players, wether we like it or not, we got rid of him, even though a wherewolf did it for us. I feel that that hurts them more than us, because why would a townie have the power to kill a doctor? in my book of thought tath seems like the mafia got rid of a with the help of Daemon,but also lost a person who was working on their behalf perhaps without that person's knowledge. what if daemon didnt die, becuase the wherewolf didnt go there tonight, and tomorrow night another doctor choosed to save Daemon again and that doctor dies also? it seems very possible, since that is what Daemon would have done by the description of his role, he is afraid of doctors and thus kills them when they get in contact with each other.That can not be looked at as something that helps the town. I dont mean this in a bad way, but i do see Daemon's role as a bad one, simply because he's role was one that would choose to kill a doctor. thats all.nothing deeper than this.

violinmaestro001

Sat 19th Aug 2006, 08:41

i know were not trying to beat a dead horse here, just trying to make sense of what happened.
diplomat
if Daemon survived the first night, he could have asked the doctor not to protect him.

theoretically speaking sure, i see where your going with this thought, but it does not appear at all in his role description that he would choose to be saved, since he doesnt need a doctor, and he is afraid of them. that is all we know. and based on this fact, it makes sense that he wouldnt choose to be protected. Its all there in the facts from how he killed the doc and how he is afraid of the doctors, thus having a gun with which he kills them. It very clear from this here writing
He takes the gun from the drawer and shoots gravedigger in the chest. “I don’t need a doctor.” He knew he was going to shoot him. it didnt come as a suprize to him to shoot the doctor.that's how i see it.

beoneknight

Sun 20th Aug 2006, 18:15

ok, i agree with your assumptions on what happened with daemon. In my opinion he was anti-doc. unvote diplomat.

Makes me wonder about the game set up... are there other charecters that are against vigilantes, cops, etc???

anyway, let's move on down thelist off people who havent said that much.... vote omni sitting and watching in the mafia game isnt' really an option for town.... let's hear what you think about this.

mary

Sun 20th Aug 2006, 19:23

so since there was an anti doc...and if maybe there is an anti cop....is it possible that there is a townie role..anti werewolf?..like a townie imune to nocturnal werewolfe attacks..that could be a strong role us right now. I'm just wondering how many werewolfes we have to deal with ...apparently there are other roles that can do damage to the town...like daemon...

princessxy

Sun 20th Aug 2006, 19:47

Well, I want to know what Sunsun did last night...
Vote Sunsun

SUNSUN101

Mon 21st Aug 2006, 02:09

hey guys just got back, i was out of town for the past 4 days. I still need to read through everything and i will post again in a little bit

copil

Mon 21st Aug 2006, 11:30

verry interesting the post that sunsun just wrote. i am verry curios to see if he's gona come with some more posts during this day or not.
omni: how's that? u just sitt back and watch us? be carefull what u say young man! our eyes are wide open and following your every move!

PS: trying to do the best of my english but sorry for the mistakes i make

omni

Mon 21st Aug 2006, 14:32

I feel sitting back and waiting was far better than making random votes here there and everywhere, I have the power to take one person to prison once in the game, taking away their powers for that night and prevent them voting the next day. I guess that's neither good, nor bad, but I hope it'll prevent a warewolf when I do use it.

I'll vote Beoneknight to see they have to say, given their so confused with who does what.

violinmaestro001

Mon 21st Aug 2006, 17:11

Omni. You did a bad thing.Never tell your role, unless your voted by the majority or feel that you must tell your role because you know something. Now are are very vulnerable to bi killed at night, in in deed you told us your real role. Please since your a beginner, do not do this, its for everyone's benefit,

beoneknight

Mon 21st Aug 2006, 18:06

unvote omni,

FOS Copil

Sorry, cant type more (work), i'll hopefully be back later with more

princessxy

Mon 21st Aug 2006, 19:28

Hey, Copil, why are you picking on Omni???
Looking for a scapegoat?

Unvote Sunsun!
Vote Copil for his attitude!

copil

Mon 21st Aug 2006, 22:46

I picked on omni before he appeared with the role. it just seem to me that his only post was very very weird. as u can see he said that he'll stay appart and let us try to find the werewolves, thing that intrigate me! i didn't even vote, allright pricess? and this is my fourth r fifth post in english and maybe that is why my stile seems a bit agressive. :)
to finish with omni i just want to say that if he wasn't a beginer i would have thought that he is 75% mafia because his role could be one of the werewolves as well. i think we can eliminate all the suspicions(most of them) just when we'll know his name as well. but i think now is not a very proper moment.
anyway... princess: u don't want to know anymore what sunsun done last night?
and we have to start from some point, don't u think so?

Diplomat

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 02:53

I really hope there aren't any more townies that are hostile to other townies like Daemon was. But I think there may well be a townie who's anti-werewolf.

I don't see any noteworthy evidence against anyone right now. I don't think we should rush to lynch someone based on a hunch, because with so few players we're almost at the endgame on our first day! I figure it's 6 vs 3 and if we lynch one wrong person, the game's pretty much over.

Now that being said, if I had to single anyone out, I would pick someone who seems careful or hesitant with his/her voting. In such a small game, the werewolves would not want to throw votes around casually because their voting patterns could be used to determine who's innocent. So I would vote: Mary because she keeps voting for copil even though he already said something. She was also concerned about a potential anti-werewolf character. Which side would care more about that?

behemoth

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 04:57

Hi everybody, I'm back in town.. Unlike Diplomat, I see noteworthy evidence against omni. Omni dearest, that was a good role you came up with, but under closer scrutiny it isn't that credible. We already have a townie that (as most people seem to agree) is anti-doc. Now suppose he hadn't killed the doctor on the very first night... how credible is it to have such a lunatic roaming the town at night and have another person that could incarcerate not just werewolves but also doctors, cops, and whatever other good roles there might be? And on top of that have two or three werewolves also against the townies? Is it just me, or that would make it almost impossible for the townies to win? Simple math guys.. I think Daemon's role was it in terms of negative townie roles: 1 counter-point to 1 or 2 positive townie roles, so as to also give the werewolves a chance, but any more counter-points than that and the game wouldn't be balanced.

Also, notice please how subtle omni's defense is. He comes with a fairly credible role at a point when he wasn't really all that threatened, knowing that since he is a beginner, most will credit his mistake to that, and go on the rest of the game believing him innocent.

Therefore, unvote violin, vote omni

After omni, I do agree with Diplomat that mary is also a suspect, based on her post 25 (commonplace observations that do nothing concrete + reticence to vote). You have my fos mary.

Princessxy, how is it that you didn't notice that copil had exactly the same attitude in Mafia 68? Fos to you as well.

behemoth

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 05:05

Beoneknight - 1 (omni)
Sunsun - 1 (violinmaestro)
copil - 2 (mary, princessxy)
mary - 2 (copil, Diplomat)
omni - 1 (behemoth)

It looks to me like 4 votes are needed for a deadline lynch.

Omni, if you don't die today, be so kind as to choose a target that you will make public, so as to test your role the next day. Better yet, please also tell us whom you chose last night.

I don't think that even beginners should be allowed by the town to get away with early role claims. You guys are letting him off the hook with this way too easily.

violinmaestro001

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 07:22

Unvote Sunsun. i dont know what to say about Omni's role, sounds like the one we just had in the romanian mafia recently where one player decides to block someone and also taking their power to vote the next day. weird. why would we need such role in this game? it doesnt make much sense ( En Garde, to be more speciffic) Plus this roleis only to be used once in the whole game by this character. since you were willing to tell us your role please tell us the name of your role as well, and why you chose to tell us your role, on what base? vote Omni Biban or not, still it wasnt needed to come up with a role claim. i dont get your point of thought.

Diplomat

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 09:18

Yeah, I think Behemoth is onto something. Having reread Omni's role claim, it sounds like that would be a far more useful role for a werewolf to have than for a townie. So I think there's a simpler explanation for his role claim, other than Omni having just invented it. In other words, he may have just used his own werewolf role for his townie role claim.

But if Omni's role is based on something from a recent Romanian-language game, as VM just pointed out, how can Omni or Doro have known about it? Neither of them speak Romanian. Unless it's something that his Romanian-speaking teammates came up with. But if that's the case, my explanation above about the source of Omni's role can't be true.

FOS: Omni. We need to know your role title. I'm going to wait until you respond before possibly placing my vote.

princessxy

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 11:23

I don't think that roles in this game have names, or titles...
Anyway... regarding what Copil said:
anyway... princess: u don't want to know anymore what sunsun done last night?
and we have to start from some point, don't u think so?

Yes, let's start then: I want to now what (you claim) you did last night, both you and SunSun... because I know where you've been! I know by whose house you were walking last night, and I know where you two entered!
hint: it's a very popular house! ;)

omni

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 13:44

Well the email I recieved didn't have a role title.

Behemoth: I'm not going to name a target before I enact my role, I'll tell you all after I've used it. But I'm not sure when I want to, now would seem like too early, I have no suspicisons on anyone really, so I don't want to waste it, but then again it's fairly useless as fair as I can gather I don't find anything out about the individual

It seems Behemoth is out to get me, despite my honesty so I'll unvote beoneknight and vote behmoth however he's not threatened so he won't share anything with us. Violinmaestro seems to be his underling.

violinmaestro001

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 16:28

Unvote omni u seem genuine about your role, i wanted to hear though why you chose to tell us in the 1st day about what you can do. Its nice to know but like i mentioned in my earlier post you are in danger of being killed at night, since you are an open book for the wherewolfs, making their decision that muuch easier to choose a target. Princessxy. do you mean to tell us that copil and sunsun where at the same house together as well last night?

violinmaestro001

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 16:34

i think my question regarding your role is as follows. can you block anyone even a wherewolf from voting the following day, or just townies? cause if you can block a wherewolf at night, thats good, cause he wont get a chance to vote, which may help to see during the day who didnt vote at all. but if youcan only block townies that that doesnt really help i dont think. you may block a doctor, lets assume, so he wont be able to save anyone that night and during the day he wont be able to vote, but he can talk so its not that bad, minus the bineg blocked from their duties. Im just thinking out loud on this one. Letme know what you can tell us.

behemoth

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 16:39

But if Omni's role is based on something from a recent Romanian-language game, as VM just pointed out, how can Omni or Doro have known about it? Neither of them speak Romanian. Unless it's something that his Romanian-speaking teammates came up with. But if that's the case, my explanation above about the source of Omni's role can't be true.
Not necessarily. His teammates might have told him about it and told him to claim it as his townie role. In the mafia game they're speaking about, that's what made the role stand out so much - the fact that usually blockers are mafias, but in En Garde the blocker was a townie. Now, with 9 players left in the game, such a role is not very useful. But when 3 or 4 are left in the game, such a role could decide who wins. So why reveal it this early, after, I might add, the doctor died and there's nobody left to defend omni? Beginner's mistake or rather an excellent bluff on Omni’s part? I think it's the latter.

I don't think that roles in this game have names, or titles...
Well the email I received didn't have a role title.
How convenient! "townie" or "werewolf" is just a role title, and you're telling me that though you have an ability, you didn't get one? Right.
Although it's too early to know for sure what her role is, Princessxy seems to be defending omni. This is merely an observation. But if omni turns out to have a negative role, it might be worth remembering.

behemoth

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 16:42

if you can block a wherewolf at night, thats good, cause he wont get a chance to vote, which may help to see during the day who didnt vote at all.
He would most likely not know that he blocked a werewolf, so it would tell us nothing at all other than possibly confirm his role. But for that, we would need to know before hand whom he would choose.

princessxy

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 17:54

Behemoth, I'm not defending omni, I don't know anything about him!
All I said was what I knew: Copil and Sunsun were at Daemon's lastnight!

I might not survive this night, so I thought it's more useful for you to know now...

beoneknight

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 18:49

ok, so i'm gonna wait with my vote until copil and sunsun both claim roles(at risk at stating the ovbious, in my opinion one is a cop, and one is mafia). I, persoanlly lean towards copil being mafia. On the downside, if i'm correct then we've already exposed two investigators. Also, omni, (you've fallen of my top suspect list for now), please tell me why you decided to roleclaim so early.

princessxy

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 19:04

At risk at stating the ovbious, in my opinion one is a cop, and one is mafia

Not necessarily... :)

SUNSUN101

Tue 22nd Aug 2006, 22:34

yes i was at daemons house last night. My role is very simple i am the town sheriff. i can investigate one person during the night and find out if he is a warewolf or not. i investigated daemon last night and i now obviously got innocent.

i do not get why princess only got two people visiting deamons house last night. looking at last nights events i know that gd was there trying to save him, i was there investiagting him, and copil was there to kill him. so thats three? vote copil

ps i am out of town again and i hopefull will be back either tommorow or thursday. so if this is my last post princess plz watch my house tonight so that if the warewolf does come then you will know he another one is. i will try and post again today if i have internet acess.

Diplomat

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 00:56

So why reveal it this early, after, I might add, the doctor died and there's nobody left to defend omni? Beginner's mistake or rather an excellent bluff on Omni’s part? I think it's the latter. Because it was easier to reveal his role now and live with the risks than to get lynched today, given that there were already about 5 people who were suspicious of him and that his role isn't important enough to be worth protecting. It's a one-shot role that may well hurt the town more than the werewolves.

My role is very simple i am the town sheriff. i can investigate one person during the night and find out if he is a warewolf or not. That's weird... But I believe you.

So Princessxy detected that Sunsun and Copil have been to Daemon's house on the night he was killed. I'm curious why she didn't learn about GD's presence there. I guess the logical thing to do is to vote: Copil since he has allegedly been to Daemon's house and we know that a werewolf has been there last night.

Diplomat

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 00:58

I should probably unvote: Mary as well.

behemoth

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 02:27

wow.. a complicated story just got more complicated.... so far we have had this many role claims:

1. a ________ that can incarcerate players overnight and prevent them from voting the next day
problem: early role claim + after Daemon's negative townie role, this would lean the balance too much toward the werewolf side

2. a town sheriff who can investigate potential werewolves
problem: can a sheriff find werewolves? traditionally, this role belongs to some sort of witch or someone whose powers border the occult; a regular cop/sheriff etc. does not technically have what it takes to discover werewolves, whose weapons are not pistols but teeth

3. a ________ that can find out the nighttime visitors of her targets
problem: how come she didn't also get Grave Digger's name on her list of Daemon's visitors?

In addition to this, one other issue stands out:
There seems to be a controversy as to whether the roles have titles. Sunsun claimed a title, and also b/c of my own role I tend to think that there are indeed titles. However, Princessxy and Omni say there aren't. This is where the other players can help.

At this point in the game, if Princessxy's role is not bogus, I would rather believe that Copil's innocent. I will, however, wait to hear his role claim before voting Sunsun. Sunsun's role is simply not very credible to me b/c a sheriff's area of expertise is guns, not supernatural beings.

unvote omni[B] for now

violinmaestro001

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 05:50

Diplomat

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 06:46

this is rather complicated. If in deed sunsun is a sheriff, and she was there, how come it doesnt come up in the story from last night in the mod's version? There is only mentioning of GD, daemon and the wherewolf at the gathering. Shouldnt be there a mentioning of a 4th person if indeed ther was a 4th person there?. VM, what are you smoking? (And can I have some of it?) I don't follow your line of thought. Why in the world would a moderator ever mention an investigator's activities in the nightly narrative? Assuming Sunsun's a sheriff and he visited Daemon's house, why does he have to be part of the mod's story? I don't think he was ever given the function of killing anyone. The narrative only describes who got killed and who did the killing. How come it doesn't mention Princessxy's presence at Daemon's house, since she also inspected his house? Or are you just trying to come up with an excuse not to vote for Copil? Because it sounds like you are and I should give you a serious FOS for that.

2. a town sheriff who can investigate potential werewolves
problem: can a sheriff find werewolves? traditionally, this role belongs to some sort of witch or someone whose powers border the occult; a regular cop/sheriff etc. does not technically have what it takes to discover werewolves, whose weapons are not pistols but teeth Yes, I believe a sheriff can find werewolves. From what I've gathered about this game, I can tell you that some of its aspects seem rather sloppy in their design. I'm talking about the facts that some roles don't have names, that a sheriff can find werewolves, that one or more townies are hostile to other townies, etc.

princessxy

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 06:53

Ok, let's clarify a few things!
I know I was a bad girl in the last game but get over it! This is a new game!
Behemoth I'm a journalist... but I don't have a role title, I asssumed I'm a journalist because there were a few hints in the description like: Pulitzer, stalk a person during the night and so on.
I never said I didn't saw gravedigger too. I just didn't mention him because he's already dead.
I stalked Daemnon's house last night. Those who entered were Gravedigger, SunSun and Copil... I don't know if the order is intentionally written like that!
Anyway, if there's a cop, the order would point at Copil, being the cop, but the story doesn't say anything about cops being present...
Anyway, a sheriff catches werewolfs? I doubt it!

Unvote Copil, for now! I'll give my final vote to one of you tonight!

violinmaestro001

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 09:53

diplomat
VM, what are you smoking? (And can I have some of it?) sorry bud, i quit smoking back in may of this year along with the casual drinking, so i cant help you in that department. i did have a big verbal fight earlier tonight, and my thoughts werent clear at all, but i tried to divert my focus by writing a message. all things are worked out by now, about 3 and halp hours later at almost 4 in the morning, so im thinking clear.

you are right, this is not my first mafia game and i dont know why i thought that the sheriff would be mentioned in the killing, i know beter then that. i think i was just obsessed with the number of people that gathered at the nightly killing, almost half of the players decided to gather at the same house. Everyone wanted to hang out there in the first night it seems and i wanted to make something of it.
two dead people and 3 live ones amounting to a record number of 5 people at the same target, who knows who wanted to do what. its just mind blowing for a first night to have such activity.
so far we have Sunsun as a sheriff at the local gatheting,
Copil assumed as cop by princessxy
Princesxy as journalist.
well someone is definately not one of these roles since there was a wherewolf who did its duty of killing. Problem is that we dont know who is telling the truth about their role and which one is the wherewolf
since copil has some questionings regarding his role and what he was there is FOS COPIL, for a role claim with explanation before i decide on a vote out of these 3 people.
Sunsun's role seems credible, it sounds similar to a cop role, in which case either sunsun or copil seems to be the target for today.
why do i say this? simply because so far both Sunsun and Princessxy know about each others whereabouts during last night and they both know about Copil's whereabouts as well. Im thinking Copil, but i dont want to rush into anything since we have a lot of roles floating in the open right now, including omni's role as well.that is 4 roles so far that are known out of i believe 9 of us?

copil

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 11:41

my role is doctor assistant. and probably from the next night i will be a doctor, replacing gravedigger. i don't konw how i got to daemon's house and there can be just 2 explinations:
1. it has to do with gravedigger, because he was a doctor and i don't know how maybe i was involved there as well without my knowledge.
2. mafia has a role that can cover them when they kill someone and they used me.
those are the only explinations that came in my mind. what i know ofr sure is that after my confirmation mail i didn't sent any mail to the mod.
sunsun seem to have a resonable role. what did the mod tell u about daemon, sunsun?
and about omni... we'll have to stay with our eyes on him.
i think the key person in this situation is princess cuz she has the mail from the mod that tells her more about the persons that have been at daemon's house.
in the mean time unvote the person i voted before and i'll read one more time tonight everythnig before i come with a vote cuz tonight the day is closing.

omni

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 12:20

VM: To answer your question, I am sure I can incarcerate either type of player.

violinmaestro001

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 14:14

Copil.
i don't know how maybe i was involved there as well without my knowledge.
that sounds new to me. I never did any night time activity without my own knowledge. thats the whole point. Odd enough, but il wait to hear from others before perhaps giving you my vote, since today is the last day as you mentioned.
Sunsun what do you have to say on your behalf?
thanks for the clarification Omni

beoneknight

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 18:04

Quick list of peoples role claims:

princess: investigator, can come to someones house and find out who visited them
sunsun: sherrif, finds out if the person is a wearwolf or not
omni: no name?? can incapacatate a person for a day
copil: doc's assistant.

out of all of them, copil's role sounds the least believable to me, also, i'm hoping you will come up with something better then "i'm not sure how i was there", because i'm really really close to voting you.

princessxy

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 18:13

I think both of you (Sunsun and Copil) are bluffing right now, and you're the werewolfs, but for now, Copil is bluffing even more so he's on trial tonight!
I really am waiting to see if there's a doctor assistant and a "sherif/exorcist/something" to come up with the real roles!
i don't konw how i got to daemon's house and there can be just 2 explinations:
1. it has to do with gravedigger, because he was a doctor and i don't know how maybe i was involved there as well without my knowledge.
2. mafia has a role that can cover them when they kill someone and they used me.
The doctor assistant doesn't travel with the doctor, he's replacing the dr after he dies.
Nobody gets involved without their knowledge.
If you're the dr assistant why were you third on the list? Why Gravedigger, Sunsun and then you?

I think you guys are the werewolfes, and it would have been more logical for Sunsun to leave you the "cop" role, but he was just faster, and you were left out and had to invent something good!

Vote Copil! Come on people, don't let the werewolfs win!

princessxy

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 18:36

I just read a little on the internet about werewolves...
Hmm, the guy who deals with them is usually a priest or a COP, but I haven't seen any western movies with werewolves, so it seems to me like Sheriff is an invention!
We'll deal with that tomorrow... for now we have the NURSE to deal with :D

copil

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 19:48

vote sunsun
i ma not lying!!! he's the werewolf! there is no way he is not! i just read all the posts one more time and it's obvious for at least 3 reasons:
1. princess was asking what was he doing at daemon's house from the begining of the day.
2. he voted me before i had time to say my role! he wanted to ger rid of me as soon as possible!!!
3. sheriff? common people!!! be realistic!
i think this 3 arguments are verry solid!
if u don't belive me that's your choice and in that case i just hope that there is another doctor to save u next night.
and if i will not have time to post again please linch this guy tomoro or choce first between him and omni.

copil

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 19:56

and one more think in my defence: don't u think that would have been more simple for me to claim the cop role , the role that everyone, including princess, was expecting for? but i didn't! and u know why? because i tell the truth! i real don't know how i got there last night! i hope u can sort out the situation in the next days.

beoneknight

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 20:02

vote copil

violinmaestro001

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 22:21

i think personally were better off, without a sheriff, than a doctor. the doc can save someone, a sheriff can investigate but doenst save. a sheriff can also be a crazy role therefore the things they investigate can be upside down. I think we need a doctor more simply because a doc can save a life. all this being said, i still dont know who's lying, the sheriff or the doc. Il wait a bit more FOS SUNSUN.

beoneknight

Wed 23rd Aug 2006, 22:50

i've been thinking about this, and here's the up or down side about this. Even a few hours ago i was pretty certain that it's copil who's mafia out of the three. My main reason for that, is that i KNOW there is a sherrif role in the game. However, i'm not really certain how likely it is that there are TWO sherrifs in this town. so for now i'm going to unvote copil

this would make 3 investigator type characters in this game. So there are a few possiblities here:
1) princess is lying.
2) sunsun is lying
3) copil is lying.

We have no proof other then princesses word to show wheather or not she is who she says she is (though her role sounds very beliable)

Sunsun claimed a role that exists in this game. I'm not sure if there is more then one however. (i have hunch, but i dont want to give out a full role claim yet)

Finally, copil is lying is definitely a possibility. Though wouldn't (s)he be able to come up with a better story rather then 'i dont know how my name came up???'

ok, any thoughts???

Diplomat

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 00:48

Oh, this is too good! There's really no doubt in my mind that Copil is lying. Come on, a doctor's assistant?? That's the most common role claimed by bad guys. And his two explanations for his detection by Princess are lame. I won't even go into details of why. You're right, Copil, it would have been more believable if you claimed sheriff.

Oh, well, being tapped by an investigator is what you get for attacking the most popular player on the first night. That is something I would never do as Mafia on the first night.

I think both of you (Sunsun and Copil) are bluffing right now, and you're the werewolfs, but for now, Copil is bluffing even more so he's on trial tonight! I just read a little on the internet about werewolves...
Hmm, the guy who deals with them is usually a priest or a COP, but I haven't seen any western movies with werewolves, so it seems to me like Sheriff is an invention! I would have to really disagree with you on that one. One of them is telling the truth. As you can see from the story, there was only one werewolf that attacked Daemon. That's probably because only one of the werewolves is the "designated driver." If you were able to detect more than one werewolf on a single night, it would be far too easy for us to win.

My main reason for that, is that i KNOW there is a sherrif role in the game. However, i'm not really certain how likely it is that there are TWO sherrifs in this town. so for now i'm going to unvote copil Beoneknight, it seems likely to me that there could be two sheriffs in this town. If you're a sheriff, and Sunsun is lying, how is it that Sunsun knew that the sheriff job even existed? And even if he did somehow, then why would he claim it knowing that he would easily be discredited by the real sheriff? So there's no reason for you to take your vote off Copil and let him escape today.

And if I might add a observation about Violinmaestro, he's clearly trying to stall the bandwagon against Copil and to divert attention onto Sunsun.

So in summary, confirm vote: Copil and just in case we're allowed to do this, secondary vote: Violinmaestro. Come on, people, quit stalling!

behemoth

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 00:51

I agree with VM (or whoever said it first). There's no way you can miraculously wake up at someone's house without having a say in your getting there. Plus, as Princexxsy said, the assistant does not follow the doctor around (nor does the story give the remotest indication that such a scenario was possible). If the doctor dies, only then does the assistant take his place. I still don't know what to make of Sunsun's role, but Copil's definitely sounds like a bluff to me.

vote copil

Does anybody know anything about the most "usual" way in which the mafia sends in targets? Unless the mod specifically mentions that whoever sends in the target is liable to investigation, then it would be pretty reasonable to assume that a role like Princexxsy's will get all the names of the mafia if she happens to get the right house. But in our game, I really think there would be 3 werewolves. So either she would have got all 3 or only the 1 werewolf that sent in the target and did the killing that we're told about in the story. Not 2. Which means that either Sunsun or Copil is innocent.

behemoth

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 01:03

I just thought about this some more, and I really do think our game has 3 werewolves. If Beone's and Sunsun's role claims are also for real, added to Princexxsy's and possibly Omni's, it would make the townies waay too strong. Sorry to repeat myself but I don't think it came out very clearly in my previous post... starting from the premise that there are 3 mafias in the game, Princexxsy could:
1. get the names of all 3 werewolves who visit the same house as she
2. get the name of the 1 werewolf who sent in the werewolves' target

Fact: she got 2 names! Since it's highly unlikely that if there were 3 werewolves, the mod would give away 2 of them, we could safely assume that of those 2 names she got, 1 is innocent and the other is a werewolf. And based on which one sounds the more credible, I could almost bet that Copil is that ugly thing that kills people at night.

violinmaestro001

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 01:58

Vote copil. diplomat i dont agree with you saying that i am stalling, i just have my tread of thinking and i am aloud to do that just as you do. Its always easier to say whats on your mind and listen to what others have to say on the subject before making a decision. Thats all, and i wrote that in my post just as well.
beoneknight definately cleared things up for me, just by mentioning that there is in fact a seriff role, therefore sunsun's role claim i take to believe. copil's role sounds credible but the fact that he just popped in at night without his own knowledge definately is a lie. I never heard of that in any mafia game that i played. and i did mention that earlier in my post as well. so dont turn my thoughts around just because i dont think the way you think. as far as secondary votes, i dont think such thing exists, but its ok either way. the first one counts and not the second. Unles the second vote annulls your first. hihi.i highly doubt it its just a joke. I think we are on the right track by lynching copil. again never heard of being somewhere without you personally knowing about it. thats all, its a lie.

copil

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 02:23

so behemoth? wanna bet? i tell u one more time: sunsun is the man u want to kill next day! and omni is 90% one of them! see at the end of the show.

behemoth

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 04:02

You guys, this reaction sounds familiar to me. Just by this alone I think Copil might be innocent after all. Sorry, it's nothing personal, but even if you die innocent it's an honest mistake. None of us have ever heard of a mafia game in which a person can end up in a place they have no knowledge of. If this is the case, it's definitely a first and certainly none of us can be blamed for the way things turn out. We shall see though. Violin's vote makes this an instant lynch, so the night should be starting any minute.

violinmaestro001

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 04:24

Behemoth am i too tired or are you dreaming? you voted Copil just as well. now you feel sorry for him? how that his last post show that he may be innocent? It sounds like he is just bluffing, he is not asking for forgiveness or anything like that. He is just blatantly trowing accusasions
wanna bet? i tell u one more time
that sounds like mafia behavior before an exit of a lynch.

SUNSUN101

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 05:03

hey guys im back! glad i made it b4 the day end. good job on getting one warewolf! princess plz stalk my house tonight. i will be more active in the next day.

behemoth

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 05:13

Behemoth am i too tired or are you dreaming?
I think you're still having a hangover from those drugs you were on earlier :)

Yes, I did vote Copil, but his reaction reminds me of so many others in the past who were innocent and knew they had no serious argument to convince the others, but knew just as well that they weren't mafia. I've been in those shoes recently, and does Sunsun's case sound familiar in Mafia 68? I hope that it's as you say, and that it's only a last-minute bluff, for which reason I didn't even bother to unvote him. That thing that gives you the impression that I might be dreaming is just a gut feeling that we're somehow missing something and we're killing the wrong guy. But like I said, we will soon see....

copil

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 05:23

u didn't answer me:D wanna bet?

behemoth

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 05:54

nah, gave up betting a while ago.. I always lose :)

princessxy

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 07:56

Thanks Beone for clarifying. So there you go, there's a sheriff and a bluffer...

copil

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 11:07

congrats for the ppl of the village! but in my oppinion u have 20-25% chances to win! see ya after the game.

PS: i forgot i am in the english corner of the site and i first posted in romanian

doro5

Thu 24th Aug 2006, 12:22

With a unanimous vote, the people of the village, horrified from last nights murders, decide that Copil had a part in those murders- he is a werewolf! So as he hangs in the rope, he suddenly twists and turns to reveal the shape of horrid werewolf! The town sighs in relief.

Copil, werewolf, has been hanged.

it is now NIGHT 2 until Sunday 27/8.

doro5

Mon 28th Aug 2006, 00:06

The town wakes up to a beautiful morning, the sun is rising high and it looks like its going to be a good day. Until a scream slices the silence. The body of sunsun was found in his house, his police badge in his hand.

SUNSUN101, sheriff, is gnawed to death by a werewolf.

It is now day 2 until Sunday, 3/9.

violinmaestro001

Mon 28th Aug 2006, 05:49

oh boy, Sunsun was a sheriff indeed it seems. any investigations last night?did anyone see the wherewolf? Omni? any speculations or did you manage anyone this night? what about you princessxy? any news?
what about you behemoth?
That thing that gives you the impression that I might be dreaming is just a gut feeling that we're somehow missing something and we're killing the wrong guy
how do you feel now about it?

princessxy

Mon 28th Aug 2006, 12:55

violinmaestro001

Mon 28th Aug 2006, 13:55

princessxy
Oh, boy, why are you so curious?
arent you? its pretty simple if you think about it. there are 3 roles out there that the wherewolfs knows of just as we do, making it pretty simple for them to pick a target. just a thought. so far we have a doctor and a sheriff dead. thats 2 out of two good roles and important ones. its not good news by any means. your lightness in the matter worries me a bit.

omni

Mon 28th Aug 2006, 14:59

I didn't use my incarceration tonight, I may tomorrow. It's hard as I can only use it once.

behemoth

Mon 28th Aug 2006, 15:41

what do I think? I think it's well that things turned out the way they did with copil... otherwise I really have no idea.. until we have worthier leads, vote omni.. for reasons check my posts from the previous day

mary

Mon 28th Aug 2006, 16:44

first of all...pardon my inactivity...my computer does not work anymore and it looks as if the only way I can fix it is by buying a new one:)...thats not gonna happen any time soon so I dont think I will be getting enough access to the internet to be able to actually contribute to winning this mafia game along with the townies:)...so...I will have to ask for a replacement so that my being inactive wont affect the game.
Well....all I can say is that I am happy that my feeling about copil being a werewolf was accurate and I'm glad I got to vote for him first!:)
Well good luck to the townies ...get those werewolfes!

violinmaestro001

Mon 28th Aug 2006, 17:48

i just noticed something from yesterday...
Sunsun
princess plz stalk my house tonight. i will be more active in the next day.
of importance or not, did you watch her house by any chance? where you there?

princessxy

Mon 28th Aug 2006, 22:03

Oh yes, Violin, I was there! Even if you were hoping for me not to be there!
You want to know who else was there??? Well, let's see: oh, yes, mr violinwolf was there killing Sunsun!

Vote Violin!

beoneknight

Mon 28th Aug 2006, 23:13

Hi! that's definetely an intersting development. I investigated violinmaestro on the first night, and found him innoscent. I'm gonna keep the person i've investigated last night to myself for a little while. If we lynch maestro and he's guilty that means i'm a reversed/naive. Not sure at the moment. I'm at work for now, so cant really post that much right now, gonna get back to you guy soon.

Diplomat

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 02:31

Princessxy, you're making this too easy for us! :) I'm going to vote: Violinmaestro (and make it my primary vote this time) until he sufficiently explains what he was doing at Sunsun's if not "gnawing" him. :) VM, I suggest you come up with a role that involves targetting people at night, with your last night's target being Sunsun.

Behemoth, if you still suspect Omni, refer back to Copil's post 71. Copil did us a big favor before he died by clearing Omni of suspicion: so behemoth? wanna bet? i tell u one more time: sunsun is the man u want to kill next day! and omni is 90% one of them! see at the end of the show. Copil would not have named him if he was guilty.

The other werewolf is Mary, IMO. As I said yesterday, the werewolves would be conserving their votes in such a small game. Mary and Copil were voting for each other in order to create distance between themselves and to avoid clearing an innocent person if one of them died. And just by the process of elimination, everyone else--Behemoth, Omni (probably), Beoneknight, Princessxy, and myself if I may say so--has shown convincingly enough that they're innocent.

omni

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 05:03

Well on Princess' development I think I'm going to have to vote violin and see what they have to say about what Princess said

violinmaestro001

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 05:20

violinmaestro001

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 05:34

i forgot to mention, you did say that there are no roles in this game right? well then how do we know that a doctor , and a sheriff was killed? you siad so in your post that
Behemoth I'm a journalist... but I don't have a role title, I asssumed I'm a journalist because there were a few hints in the description like: Pulitzer, stalk a person during the night and so on.
I never said I didn't saw gravedigger too. I just didn't mention him because he's already dead.
Other they you and omni, it seems that at least 2 people had real role names, including if i amy add mine which is a 3rd. there may be more roles as well.
so you have the ability to stalk a person and so on? what is so on
supposed to include?
Sunsun had to say first that there were 3 people in the house and only then you said the samething, agreeing that infact there were 3 people. I dont like that personally. Because he was dead? well he was alive when you were there, wasnt he? and if you saw him indeed why not say? whats the problem with saying the whole truth?
about roles again
I don't think that roles in this game have names, or titles...
and heres Sunsun's post reagrding the people and their number
i do not get why princess only got two people visiting deamons house last night. looking at last nights events i know that gd was there trying to save him, i was there investiagting him, and copil was there to kill him. so thats three?
then again your act upon why you didnt tell about GD
I never said I didn't saw gravedigger too. I just didn't mention him because he's already dead.
there are a lot of little tings that you kep in secrecy and would have kept it seems unles someone else brings things into perspective 100%. so your saying you never said you didnt saw GD? well up to that point in the game you never did say that you saw him. a contradiction? i know you are definately playing some sort of a game here

violinmaestro001

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 05:36

off topic scuze my messy way of quoting and putting things not in the order that they happened, i have a fever and im on medication in case you want to pick on me for this reason.
end off topic

behemoth

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 06:47

Behemoth, if you still suspect Omni, refer back to Copil's post 71. Copil did us a big favor before he died by clearing Omni of suspicion: Copil would not have named him if he was guilty.
Really? :) I dunno, with all this talk of bluffing I wouldn't be so sure of anything... Consider also his statement:

congrats for the ppl of the village! but in my oppinion u have 20-25% chances to win!
what insight might this have to offer? One possibility: there is something the civilians really don't expect but that he, Copil, knows about. That something will make it hard for the civilians to win. Now, looking at the statement you quoted in light of this other one, it might mean that Omni the werewolf came up with a really credible role, which was then 'verified' by Copil's post 71. And this would indeed make the townies' winning chances slimmer. Or, it might also mean that Princessxy and him decided to play the way they did so as to give her the killer aliby... or maybe it means nothing at all.

Now, before I can place my vote, a few things bother me about the whole Princessxy & Violin story:

1. Princessxy and Omni are so far the only two players (other than Copil who was proven a werewolf) who claim they have no role title. I find this hard to believe, especially given their claimed abilities.

2. Sunsun asked Princessxy to stalk his house last night. If she is what she claims to be and Violin is a werewolf, why on earth would Violin kill Sunsun and not her? Especially given the fact that she gets all the names of those who visit a particular house at night. What if she only gets Violin's name? In that case, no matter what he does, or what extrordinary role he comes up with, there is no way he can turn around the fact that the house of the deceased was visited by one person only, and therefore that person cannot be anything other than a werewolf. Also, Sunsun's role was still somewhat questionable. Violin had no particular reason to fear him over Princessxy, and if attacked by him, he could have attacked the credibility of his role. So why kill him and nicely hand himself over to be caught in the very act by a journalist?

3. On the other hand, Princessxy does have an excellent aliby. I checked over the first day's posts and pretty early in the day she wanted to know what Sunsun did during the night. Now, if she were a werewolf, could she possibly have known that he was also there that night? Not impossible, but very unlikely.

for now, I'm maintaining my vote on Omni

princessxy

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 08:01

ok,we are heading somewhere now. Princessxy, i am glad you mentioned that you saw me at Sunsus's house because i was there indeed, and so where you. You saw me, i saw you. I am the village wizard , and i can choose to spendthe night in someones house wether there is activity or not. I am not a doctor, lets clarify that right now. Indeed you were there. Ican pick 3 nights out of the total nights to hide in someones house in case there would be a possibility of action. I didnt do anything last night. i have the ability to use herbal derived remedies if someone is hurt, but not if they are killed. I can not fix the dead.if there would have been a doctor or someone with the ability to stop the wherewolf, there is a 100 % chance of healing or. by miself there is only a 50%chance of healing but not in the case of complete death.
Very imaginative, but also.... come on, would you believe that? This doesn't sound anything like the roles chosen by Doro. I'm sorry Violin, you are trying to build a case against me (the same thing I tried with Makk in my last game where I was mafia) but you cannot win. I see everything that happens at a house at night.
Last night Sunsun got out, came back (I suppose he investigated somebody), and then you came and went... next thing you know, Sunsun was dead!
Well, let's see, if he came back in one piece, entered the house, then you came, and then he was dead, this means that I confirm my vote on Violin!

Sunsun asked Princessxy to stalk his house last night. If she is what she claims to be and Violin is a werewolf, why on earth would Violin kill Sunsun and not her? Especially given the fact that she gets all the names of those who visit a particular house at night.
Because we all make mistakes? :)
Unfortunately, I think that this is the last day I'm going to be alive, they won't make the same mistake again. But it's up to you to find the last one!

congrats for the ppl of the village! but in my oppinion u have 20-25% chances to win!
I think he was trying to scare us off, and that we have really good chances to win.

I investigated violinmaestro on the first night, and found him innoscent.
Have you ever thought that Violin might be "the Godfather"? The one who comes up innocent?

princessxy

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 08:08

The other werewolf is Mary, IMO. As I said yesterday, the werewolves would be conserving their votes in such a small game. Mary and Copil were voting for each other in order to create distance between themselves and to avoid clearing an innocent person if one of them died. And just by the process of elimination, everyone else--Behemoth, Omni (probably), Beoneknight, Princessxy, and myself if I may say so--has shown convincingly enough that they're innocent.

You might have a point. This would also explain why The Godfather himself did the killing last night. Mary was having internet problems and she didn't get to talk to her buddy Violin. Then the fact that Sunsun was killed and not me, makes even more sense in this circumstances, it seems like a decision that Violin would make (all I'm trying to say is that you are very impulsive :D )

But, this is just a supposition...

behemoth

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 08:39

makes sense to me.. unvote Omni, vote Violin

behemoth

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 08:45

oh, and I just noticed this... one slight detail Violin, the kind that gives werewolves away :) you can use herbs for healing but then you can also see the people who go in and out?
Princessxy, i am glad you mentioned that you saw me at Sunsus's house because i was there indeed, and so where you. You saw me, i saw you.
riiight! we already have a journalist, the town is already too strong (with two sheriffs, a doctor and what not) and on top of that you expect us to believe that you are a healer/seer :) there's no way there could be this kind of overlap between abilities, but nice try!

princessxy

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 09:01

oh, and I just noticed this... one slight detail Violin, the kind that gives werewolves away you can use herbs for healing but then you can also see the people who go in and out?

Good point, ha ha :))

Diplomat

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 09:10

OK, good, VM's lynched. I look forward to the lynching ceremony. :) VM's role claim falls apart on so many levels--including the one that you mentioned, Behemoth--that it's not even worth going into it. There should be no doubt about Princessxy's innocense.

Behemoth, I just had to laugh at your theories as to why copil mentioned Omni's name. You're thinking too hard. :) There are really no complex explanations required. People say all kinds of crazy shit when they're about to get lynched. When he said we only have a small chance to win, he was merely trying to make us think that we were about to kill an innocent. (And you fell for it.) He mistakenly thought we could still change the outcome by unvoting him at that point.

violinmaestro001

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 14:16

behemoth
you can use herbs for healing but then you can also see the people who go in and out?
i dont see what is so hard to believe about my ability to see. If i am there i can see, im not hiding, i go openly and willingly to someones house as i choose to. to strenghten my case i believed Sunsun over princessxy's role, thus the reason i chose his/her house for last night. what about the herbs?what is so unbelievable about that. I made it clear that im no doctor, but i have the ability to heal the sick, using the natural remedies that were used in the period, you always have doctors and wizards or the female version , i thnk thats called a witch, that have the power to heal without using the traditional stuff aka doctors case. and like i mentioned i can only do so much, but i have a 100% chance of healing with the help or another important role incas of an attack. Otherwise by myself i only have 50% of healing.I can not talk to other people and ask them to come be with me at the same house, its just by coincidence if there is another important role, that makes my role work fully.
Princessxy.
then you can also see the people who go in and out?
i didnt say i see the people who go in and out, what i see is who is in the house, if indeed someone is in the house.Otherwise, im there no one comes, the night is over, all you know if im investigated is that iwasnt in my home at night.
behemoth
the town is already too strong (with two sheriffs, a doctor and what not) and on top of that you expect us to believe that you are a healer/seer there's no way there could be this kind of overlap between abilities, but nice try!
why would my role be an overlap?i dont follow your thinking.if there are 2 sherrifs, there could be 2 doctors, a journalist, an omni role, which im not certain about since preincessxy and omni are the only ones i know of that do not have actual roles, whereas i thnk the rest of us have names with a role. i dont want to change the way you thihnk, but i do want you to see, that my role is of no make shift. why would i willingly choose to kill sunsun over Princessxy as she mentioned? knowing that prinxessxy is of more danger to a wherewolf if that is what i am to be believed on princessxy's posts? nice try princessxy. but if you read my post about all the things about preincessxy you wil find that she never told the whole truth right away, she always pointed ad things partially, which does worry one.
princessxy
ery imaginative, but also.... come on, would you believe that? This doesn't sound anything like the roles chosen by Doro
let me remind you so far...
Creepy story, interesting and... well, weird! I'm under the impression that we're going to have to think outside the box for this one.
how does these two posts sound alike? they dont. in one you mention that the sotry is weird the roles are infact not the usuall, then u say that my role is nothing like what Doro would choose? How do you know if you dont even have a role name? isnt that weird? there is nothing more i can seay in my defense, but i think princessxy is lying about something in this game. she did vote Sunsus the very fist day wanting to know what she was doing in the house, well she was there as well, why wouldnt she be able to see who else was in the house? Or is it trully necesarry hor her to see who else was there is Sunsun has already metioned the full list of names? she could very easily could have come up with a journalist role like she did, since she doesnt have a role title and then just add all the names into the picture, minus GD since he was dea. i think that to be a mistake definately. yhou had to be corrected before you do mention that you did saw GD ut he was already dead. i dont knwo what else to say about you. But i definatley think that you got the town on your side, nice job. I dont see why you sould say that today is your last day, when you worked thingsso nicely toward your own benefit even with the missing puzzle that had to be put together by someone else for you. Id dont see why im the only one noticing these things. As far as me and omni, there isno connection between the two of us for te obvious reason that i simply dont have the ability to ask people to join me in my quest. I work alone but if someone is there with me, not a journalis but like i mentioned earlier a doc or a role that can fight off the wherewolf, there is a full chance of recuperation for that person. what so so incredible about that?anywyas, it seems that i am dead already by the number of votes, so good luck i nyour future quest

princessxy

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 15:21

i didnt say i see the people who go in and out, what i see is who is in the house, if indeed someone is in the house.Otherwise, im there no one comes, the night is over, all you know if im investigated is that iwasnt in my home at night.

I wasn't IN the house! :D :D :D
How come you saw me then? Ha ha... you just don't give up do you?

To stalk a person's house you usually use a car and sit on an alley in the dark, or use a neighbour's house and a telescope, or whatever, use your imagination, you have a big one :)

Diplomat

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 15:59

Oh, boy, you're definitely smoking something, VM! And I think I know what it is:what about the herbs?what is so unbelievable about that. I made it clear that im no doctor, but i have the ability to heal the sick, using the natural remedies that were used in the period,... Man, I gotta try some of those herbs. If you can believe that Princessxy is guilty, they must be really good.

What we need to know is what part of the house you were mainly in, and from which location of the house you observed Princess. You know, if you were standing far away or didn't see her face, you might have mistaken her for someone else. Describing the house wouldn't hurt either. Any other unusual things in the house? Any strange smells?

Diplomat

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 16:21

Also, forgot to add, did you use the bathroom while at the house?

violinmaestro001

Tue 29th Aug 2006, 21:57

haha, you make me laugh diplomat, which is good, cause i do have a fever since yesterday, so thats good. Well i cant lie about princessxy, i told you what i saw and how i see things, and thats al. the rest is on you to interpret as you wish. If you believe princessxy more then me, im fine with that as well. I saw her in the house, and thats all. Describing the house, thats funny, its not like a story where i get the description of the house you know? or the bathroom for a matter of fact, but i lov eyour humor. honestly.Good luck in the future, doro is online so i think im about to be lynched. See yall.I need to get back in bed and swet some moreso il get better.

behemoth

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 04:14

hello Violin :) I see that you're on, checking on the status of your upcoming death :) well.. as I said before, nice try, really... but u can't seriously expect us to fall for all that.. would you? :)

violinmaestro001

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 08:01

most certainly would, why not? i may be ill fizically, but that has noting to do with it. i dont see how my role is less credible than the reactions of princessxy in this game.I mean if you take the poor townie with a fear of doctors, how is mine so out of place? simply because im a wizard and i say the princessxy was in the house, whereas she says she wasnt, only around the house spying on the house? I definately see how you believe princessxy as a journalist to see things without entering a house, but i tell you i saw her in the house. anyways its too tiring beating a dead horse. believe as you wish. Im suprized not be lynched yet since i have more than majority votes i believe. I am ready to die, so i can get some rest for a couple of days and get better. again, good luck.

violinmaestro001

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 08:06

on the other hand, it is my duty to try at least if you dont believe me, to explain my role, as any other player would have done, and has done in any mafia games. :) cheerios
but i do see i have a very incredible role in yall's eye, and im ok with that. i can only say what i am.

violinmaestro001

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 08:09

diplomat
. People say all kinds of crazy shit when they're about to get lynched.
i like your language buddy. are you upset or just slipped on that one? :-)

doro5

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 11:07

Once again, with a unanimous vote, the town decides that Violinmaestro must hang. They watch his hanging body with anticipation. Finally, the true from of Violinmaestro becomes clear, and the town hoorays for their success. They also see something else. From the werewolf's body they see smoke…and a form coming from within the smoke…a form of a woman…the goddess! It's Sandat! The goddess speaks from its misty form: "my werewolves have been banished to the land of the dead, but your troubles are not over yet! I will be back!"
A day later everyone forget about the goddess's revelation. Princessxy receives a Pulitzer for "active journalism". Diplomat receives a special honorary medal from behemoth the mayor. Omni still sits near the cell, watching everyone else taking the glory, again… and the only thing that Mary could say was "darn! I wanted to kill them!". But not all are happy from the town's successes. Beoneknight wished it would end otherwise… and moves away from the "wretched" town.

GAME OVER. The town wins.

Or do they?

To be continued…

doro5

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 11:15

Beoneknight- Anti-Sheriff-“You knew what you must do. As soon as you saw those people turning into werewolves. They would kill the whole town, so why not make friends with them and live? But you can’t just go there and say: “hey, I want to help you”. You need to find another way to help them. Wait, someone would try and stop them- the Sheriff! Or is there more then one? You can’t remember, you haven’t seen one for years. Well you must find out who it is and somehow make the werewolves know. And who would suspect you, of all people?
Each night you can send me someone’s name to check if he’s the (or a?) Sheriff. You might even want to call yourself anti-Sheriff.
NOTE: the werewolves are aware of your existence, but not of your identity.”
Behemoth- Mayor- “Hm. Werewolves. Hm. In your town. You’ve been mayor for a long time, and you don’t want to lose the next elections. With all those werewolves running around, the townspeople will start lynching! Well, you can’t have people killing people like that! Every night, you can choose one person to protect from being lynched the following day. Note that after the first time you will prevent someone from being lynched this way, the townies will know of an existence of a mayor (they don’t read newspapers a lot), but they won’t know who it is. After three times you prevent someone from being lynched this way, they’ll stop listening to you.
NOTE: you may not use the power on yourself”
Princessxy- Journalist-“Wow! What a story! Werewolves in Hellsville! I smell Pulitzer! You must investigate, and make the story of your life!
Each night you can choose one person and stalk by his house, investigating the scene, checking if he leaves his house, or if someone enters it.”
Omni- Prison guard-“You never really took anybody into prison. You never really had to take anybody into prison. If you call that little cell “prison”. Actually, you’re quite happy about this werewolf business. You might be finally able to take someone in.
Once in the game, you may choose someone at night that will be taken away to prison and wont be able to vote during the following day and use his powers (if any) the night afterwards.
NOTE: players will be aware that the target was taken to prison, But not about the effects of it or your identity.”
Diplomat- Sheriff-“werewolves? Not in your town! You wont let those mangy disease-ridden beasts get anywhere near your town! You gonn’a find every last one of them, or your name isn’t diplomat the sheriff!
You can choose one target each night to check if it is a werewolf.”
Sunsun101- Naïve sheriff-“werewolves? Not in your town! You wont let those mangy disease-ridden beasts get anywhere near your town! You gonn’a find every last one of them, or your name isn’t sunsun101 the sheriff!
You can choose one target each night to check if it is a werewolf.”
Daemon- Doc bomb-“you have Iatrophobia (the fear of doctors). In fact, you hate doctors. In fact, you never went to the doctor. In fact, you think that the doctor might visit in all this werewolf deal. In fact, you’re ready for his arrival. The gun is in the top drawer.
If the doctor tries to save you, you will kill him.”
Gravedigger- Doctor-“werewolves, werewolves…no medial books about werewolves. I guess you’ll just have to improvise. But you can’t trust people to come to you… oh well, time for a long round of home visits, doc.
You may choose one target each night to save from death. You can save yourself only once.”
Copil- Werewolf 1-“you are Copil Jones, a straight descendant of Jacob Jones, the famous werewolf. Together with your brother, Violinmaestro001, you plan to finally get free from the curse that the moon goddess has put on your family, and prove the only way for redemption- slaughtering the people who infest the town once dedicated to Sandat.
You are mafia. You and your brother choose one target to kill each night.
You may communicate at night. Your brother’s address is:
laszlo01(a)gmail.com
Also, you have a traitor within the townspeople who is in charge of finding the sheriff(s?) and informing you of their identity. The problem is that you don’t know his…”
Violinmaestro- Werewolf 2-“you are Violinmaestro Jones, a straight descendant of Jacob Jones, the famous werewolf. Together with your brother, Copil, you plan to finally get free from the curse that the moon goddess has put on your family, and prove the only way for redemption- slaughtering the people who infest the town once dedicated to Sandat.
You are mafia. You and your brother choose one target to kill each night.
You may communicate at night. Your brother’s address is:
reddogy2001(a)yahoo.com
Also, you have a traitor within the townspeople who is in charge of finding the sheriff(s?) and informing you of their identity. The problem is that you don’t know his…”
Mary- Face stabber-“werewolves? Ha! You’re not scared of no werewolf! And you don’t need anyone’s help to find those darn mangy wolfs. You have your trusted friend- the knife.
Once in the game, during daytime, you may kill one person. (Say I kill X or X, you die! Or something like that in bold).
NOTE: this will not end the day.”

Daemon

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 12:39

GG TOWN!

I would like to thank GD for rescuing me and getting himself killed in the process and all the other players that found me so attractive in the first night :)

Anyway, there's one thing I would like to point out. I would have surely voted against Behemoth w/ all my conviction should I have lived to be able to. In my oppinion, prior to her "coming around" and playing for the village, he used a lot of not so sound logic and a kind of too twisted interpretations for my average townie. That goes to show how wrong I can be in judging people.

Diplomat

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 13:43

Wow, that was easy. Do you guys think this game was balanced? Or did we win because the werewolves made some bad choices, especially on the first night? I mean, 2 out of 11 was a pretty small number of bad guys and it makes me think they never had a realistic chance of winning. But they also knew that there were sheriffs in the town and they could have easily claimed that role.

Daemon, I don't mean to disappoint you, but I didn't find you very attractive on the first night, that's why I investigated behemoth. :) Perhaps that's what kept me from voting for her. I did like her rigorous analyses of events that you only find in mathematical proofs.

princessxy

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 14:14

Thank you, thank you, thank you for this Pulitzer!!!

I would like to thank my mom, my dad and my family... and all the rest of you who are not on this list!
JK... i'm not going to continue my speech.

I think the game was balanced... in an unsual way, but still:

Negative roles:
Werewolf1
Werewolf2
An anti sheriff
An anti doctor
A naive sheriff (not helping the town)

Positive roles:
The sheriff
The mayor
The doctor
The journalist

Neutral roles:
Prison guard
Face stabber

It was an interesting game for me. The most powerfull role I've ever had. Being able to watch smb's house is better than investigating just one person (so better that sheriff :) )
Good game Diplomat!

Thanks Doro for the game, thank you all for the game. I enjoyed it even if it was short!

omni

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 14:20

Wow I wasn't expecting to wrap that up so quickly!

Daemon

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 14:22

Doro can start "Werewolves 2: The Resurrection" in case he believes the story was left hanging :).

beoneknight

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 16:23

wow :( we lost... maestro, why did u decide to kill sunsun instead of princess?... i was actually hoping that she would follow me instead of sunsun that night :(.

congrats town, and way to go princess... you took all of us out by yourself :(

doro5

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 16:48

I knew that the game was about to end when vm gave me his choice of sunsun on night 2.he would've gotten away with everything if he would kill someone else (princess, for example), because sunsun investigated him the same night (he would come innocent, since sunsun was innocent).
Yes, the first night was quite amusing, almost everyone choosing daemon.
P.S I will make a sequel! Soon!

violinmaestro001

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 17:29

wow, indeed this was a quick game. balancing? im not to sure about it. there were other negative roles but it seems that only copil and i had action in this game. omni never killed anyone neither did Beoneknight, so that did make it hard to find the right candidate. why i chose sunsun over princessxy? well i figured a sherriff is worse than a journalist, but i was dead wrong. Congrats town.

violinmaestro001

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 17:33

i didnt even know that mary and beone was on our side. all i knew is that there is a traitor amongs the town folks but never got a glimpse of whom that person migh have been, i was thinking perhaps mary but nothing happened to prove my theory. sorry beone, i guess if we both knew how this works i would have chosen princessxy and left sunsun for you. it was a different kind of game by all means. it seemd hard as mafia to make the right choise of killing, cause i felt everyone was against me and no one was on my side for thewhole duration ofthe game. but that's life. Oh it turns out that i have the flu, but im starting to feel better today, for the first time i had 98.7 degrees this morning. i hope to recuperate fast from here on.

beoneknight

Wed 30th Aug 2006, 22:06

SUNSUN101

Thu 31st Aug 2006, 00:10

GG TOWN
vm u made a huge mistake killing me over princess. i indeed had investigated you during night 2 and u came up innocent, so you would have had me on yur side if i had not died. and i had already asked princess to investigate my house that night, so you knew she would. nice job princess on gettin both werewolf's

violinmaestro001

Thu 31st Aug 2006, 00:49

i thin your right Sunsun. it was a huge mistake. but i learned from it. journalists can be more dangerous than sherriffs. i wasnt aware of the full extent of this role's capability.
Diplomat. since you asked me about my drugs and what i smoke , i can now tell you that i ve been on tylenol, am and pm, ora relief, ora gel, mouth gargle and sprays and antibiotics since sunday. your welcome to some of it if in need, i got plenty to go around. I just started not having a fever today, so im very happy about that. i think il be ok by the weekend, since i have a wedding rehearsal to go to on friday and a wedding to perform in on saturday. Cheerios all. Good job Princessxy. you did it all by your self.

princessxy

Thu 31st Aug 2006, 06:56

I didn't do it al by myself, but thank you.
I just provided the info and the town backed me up. It's not like I shot you... :D

But the fever you had explains a lot :) (JK)

Diplomat

Thu 31st Aug 2006, 08:52

actually i cant kill anyone, however i was about to 'find' omni guilty this round. This way town would of wasted a lynch on omni, then they may or may not lynch me the next day, so i figured since i dont knwo who mafia is, it's not a waste. Not so fast, Beone. Since there were multiple sheriffs and Copil practically vindicated Omni with one of his last posts, your result would have been called into question, and so would have Sunsun's. I was pretty sure VM was a werewolf at that point, as you can see by my "secondary vote" from day 1. I didn't even bother investigating him, instead choosing to check on Mary. I'd say VM would have still been next on the chopping block that day, even though Sunsun found him innocent. Otherwise, it would still have been almost impossible for VM to win this because he needed the town to lynch 2 innocent townies in a row. BTW, you did investigate me, right? You must have noticed all those hints I gave about my role, like, "It seems like there could be two sheriffs in this town," or, "Yes, I believe a sheriff can find werewolves". The werewolves needed to be able to recruit you, at least, to have a realistic chance of winning.