Mafia 48: Sunday Comics! GAME OVER!

[StarmanDeluxe]

PLEASE SEND ALL TARGETS TO collinbell@gmail.com.

Welcome to Mafia 48: Sunday Comics!

Still Here:

Olliep13 – olliep13@hotmail.com
Joe - joe371@hotmail.com
Zero – ionut.hadade@gmail.com
Laurlaur - laureno84@hotmail.com

Erased:

Heffie – CHARLIE BROWN (PEANUTS)
Daemon - ODIE (GARFIELD)
Alicia - THE KING (WIZARD OF ID)
Radwulf - DOGBERT (DILBERT) - INKBLOT'S MINION
Diplomat - BEETLE (BEETLE BAILEY)
CreativeMind - HOBBES (CALVIN & HOBBES) - TRAITOR COMIC
Beoneknight - CALVIN (CALVIN & HOBBES) - TRAITOR COMIC
Helix - LINUS (PEANUTS)
Goddessofnin - THE INKBLOT
EscapedConvict/Diplomat - JASON (FOXTROT)

The Story:

Terror has struck in Comic Land, and that terror is commercialism. Hollywood producers are coming to Erase the beloved comic strip characters and put them into mediocre big-budget films!

What's worse? By the powers of tons of money, the producers have been able to manifest themselves in the world of comics in the form of a terrible creature: The Inkblot. He floats along unnoticed, sometimes assuming the shape of real comic characters in order to achieve his goal: Erasure of all the comics!

What's even worse? Some of the characters, fearing for their lives, have joined The Inkblot's cause.

What's even even worse? There's been some strife amongst the comics in dealing with this threat: it's entirely possible that there are multiple factions of characters, plotting to destroy the others!

The characters on the side of good must band together to defeat The Inkblot and his minions, and, if necessary, Erase those characters that would betray the wonderful world printed every Sunday.

[StarmanDeluxe]

It is now NIGHT 01! Please send me your targets by Wednesday, 9:00 PM Pacific Time.

[StarmanDeluxe]

The citizens of Comic Land were in shock. One of their most beloved, upstanding citizens had been Erased in cold blood: Charlie Brown was gone. He had disappeared utterly: nothing was left.

They say it takes catastrophe to start a revolution: the comic characters were furious at the lost of such a great. They resolved to avert their nemesis, The Inkblot, before he could do anymore damage.

HEFFIE (CHARLIE BROWN from PEANUTS; COMIC) was Erased on NIGHT 01!

It is now DAY 01. Seven votes for instant lynch, five votes at the deadline. The deadline is set for Saturday at 7:00 PM Pacific Time.

[HEffie]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS!!!!!!!How could you do this to me?!?!?! :( oh I'm gonna go off and cry :( . I hope you can't sleep at night!!

[laurlaur]

oh come ON people! that's just ridiculous! Poor Heffie doesn't seem to be getting much of a chance to play these days!
Charlie Brown...I'm guessing that was a pretty important role too. He's like, a comic veteran! This injustice will NOT go unavenged...so let's kick some Inkblot butt!

[olliep13]

Random Vote Zero

[radwulf]

semi-random vote: laurlaur because I haven't noticed Heffie getting killed more often than usual lately

[Daemon]

vote laurlaur cuz i'm a great follower :)

[joe]

random vote goddess of nin

[Diplomat]

Vote: radwulf
No one said Heffie was getting killed more often than usual. Someone said she wasn't getting "much of a chance to play." :)

[Alicia]

vote Daemon! because he's such a follower :)

[creativemind]

almost random vote: Diplomat for his avatar: i don't like coffee

[Diplomat]

i don't like coffee I don't blame you. I don't like most coffee either.

[Helix]

vote: creativemind

for voting "random" on someone that has been voted not so randomly

[goddessofnin]

I'll random vote: Beoneknight

[laurlaur]

boooo! Vote:Radwulf for coming up with a lamer reason to vote me than I would expect from him..hehehe
Sidenote:Why is nobody posting the number in the subject line? Are we not doing that anymore?

[beoneknight]

vote goddessofnin, coz she voted me; and morning everyone

[Diplomat]

Why is nobody posting the number in the subject line? Are we not doing that anymore? We all gathered together and collectively decided we weren't doing that anymore. You must have missed the memo.

[StarmanDeluxe]

I missed the memo too =P

[Daemon]

It figures, you missed your own funeral :)

The keen observer can notice at the far right end of the subject line of each message a small underlined number. What does that do?

[zero]

random vote alicia

[StarmanDeluxe]

Deadline extended until Sunday, 7:00 PM Pacific Time due to inactivity. WAKE UP, YOU!

[joe]

Let's put some pressure on someone and get some conversation going.

Unvote: Goddess of Nin
Vote: Laurlaur

[laurlaur]

hmm...so the pressure is being put on me i see. Well you can all rest easy because I'm definitely a comic. I dunno it seems kinda early in the game for role claims so I'd rather wait on that, but if people demand it i'll comply. Here's a discussion question...."will this turn into a full fledged bandwagoning? Find out next time...dun dun dun"
I wish i could get some actual "conversation going" as you put it, but I haven't really done anything yet so it's not like I can even defend something. So I'll leave it at my acknowledgment of the fact that three of you have voted me without any logical reason.

[radwulf]

I beg your pardon, but there's nothing illogical about my vote. I always start the first day by randomly voting someone, unless by the time I post somebody does something that strikes me as suspicious or at least odd. So why don't you explain exactly what the heck you meant by this:
"oh come ON people! that's just ridiculous! Poor Heffie doesn't seem to be getting much of a chance to play these days!"
Just what exactly is so ridiculous about her first-night death?

[Daemon]

My vote wasn't illogical either. I would have voted whomever radwulf would :).

[laurlaur]

oh chillax radwulf. All I meant was that it was funny or ironic or whatever you wanna call it, that andreea got killed right away because she had just been saying to me that she always gets killed so early on in the games and she was bummed that she got lynched so early in the other mafia game and didnt' get to play it through. So I just thought it sucked that she got killed again so soon, because she already has this feeling like she's not getting to play a lot. That's all. I don't really know what you're implying, or how my comment is suspicious, but i hope that clears things up.
I'm a bit torn right now. I kind of want to unvote radwulf because his agressiveness seems customary of the way he plays when he's innocent...but then if I unvote him, people might think I'm trying to like, win him over or get him to think I'm innocent or something when i don't really have anything to hide...so I guess I should just leave my vote as is until this develops a bit more.
And Daemon...well, at least you admit that you're just blindly following Radwuf..lol

[Diplomat]

I don't know what's so weird about Laurlaur's comment. I think it's self-explanatory. Andreea got voted off in that other game and in this one she was killed on the first night. I don't see why that has to be explained to you, radwulf. Your question about it is actually more suspicious and odd than Laur's comment.

[Daemon]

I have to admit that radwulf obsession does look a bit weirdish to me, not to mention that in fact he is preaching from the "kill andreeahef whenever you can" book. Something like: "no man, she could have been guilty, and who thought she wouldn't be guilty, should be guilty themselves". Am I right? That said, i am keeping my vote on laurlaur

[Diplomat]

OK, what's going on here? Daemon, does your role require you to follow Radwulf's votes, or something?

[Daemon]

Not specifically Radwulf's... but somebody's... it's a bit complicated and I don't wanna give up my role just as the game starts cuz *SOMEBODY* will think I'm mafia again.

[olliep13]

Yeah, I'm with Diplomat.

Unvote Zero
Vote Daemon

[Daemon]

Gee, thanks, ollie, with that avatar, you really look cartoonish.

[radwulf]

I don't know what's so weird about Laurlaur's comment. I think it's self-explanatory. Andreea got voted off in that other game and in this one she was killed on the first night. I don't see why that has to be explained to you, radwulf. Your question about it is actually more suspicious and odd than Laur's comment.
Man, what are you smoking? It's been a year since Heffie's been lynched in a game--at least as I remember it. The only recent and not so recent early murder of her was in one of the Romanian games, but that was night two. Is that ridiculous? Is that deserving a "oh come ON people!"? Maybe, but certainly not: definitely. The question was absolutely legitimate, an expression of surprise at what seemed to me an exaggerated reaction. If you're trying to subtly plant suspicion on me, you're not being subtle at all. FOS: Diplomat

"kill andreeahef whenever you can" book. Something like: "no man, she could have been guilty, and who thought she wouldn't be guilty, should be guilty themselves".
Daemon, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you want to get your point across, please restate and preferably less metaphorically. Unless you have a priest's role or something.

[Daemon]

Yeah. You want heffie killed and/or pick on the players that don't.

And yeah, if someone thinks she got more than her fair share of premature kills/lynches he's definitely worth voting.

Right?

[radwulf]

Yeah. You want heffie killed and/or pick on the players that don't.
Absolutely not true. But if you have any evidence of the contrary, I'll happily refute it.

And yeah, if someone thinks she got more than her fair share of premature kills/lynches he's definitely worth voting. Right?
If (s)he has none/little/or dubious evidence of that actually being the case, then (s)he might be. Especially in the first day of an otherwise completely uneventful game. That rationale goes for any kind of "thought" or action expressed/performed in the game topic. If you say something like "damn you you bastards stop killing Diplomat so often" and Diplomat was last lynched in February, and only murdered early twice this year, then I would certainly take a closer look at your reasoning.

[Diplomat]

Radwulf, Heffie was voted off in a very recent English game. I'm sure if you go back to EZboard, you'll find where it happened. Plus, with Laur being friends with Andreea, it makes it less likely that the bad guys would pick her as the target on night 1 if Laur was part of the mafia.

Uh, Ollie, I'm not suspecting Daemon. My vote was for Radwulf. I don't see what you mean by "being with me".

[olliep13]

OK, what's going on here? Daemon, does your role require you to follow Radwulf's votes, or something?
Diplomat, i meant that i agreed with you about how Daemon seems to be following Radwulf's votes. That's all. Maybe "being with someone" is an Australian phrase that we use: it means to show that they agree with someone.

[Diplomat]

Well, I figured that there might be a reason for him to be following votes other than him being guilty. That's why I asked. I sort of believe him right now.

[radwulf]

Radwulf, Heffie was voted off in a very recent English game. I'm sure if you go back to EZboard, you'll find where it happened. Plus, with Laur being friends with Andreea, it makes it less likely that the bad guys would pick her as the target on night 1 if Laur was part of the mafia.
Ok, I didn't remember that lynching, but come on: being lynched on page 6 of a 10 pages game can hardly add weight to a complain of "she's not getting to play". Be that as it may, there isn't a valid reason for a bandwagon against Laur Laur so unvote: LaurLaur.

[Daemon]

Darn it, I wish radwulf would stop voting so often :) unvote laurlaur

[goddessofnin]

Now that Turkey Day is over....

*gobble gobble*

OK, so who should we be bandwagoning with? I know I random voted Beoneknight earlier, but I'm starting to get a little bit suspicious of Daemon because he keeps following radwulf.... I mean what's the point? Doesn't following radwulf mean you have some kind of association with him, implicating that he is (and you are) mafia? Or... is it a ploy to avert suspicion from the real mafia (which still leaves you suspect)?

[goddessofnin]

unvote: Beoneknight

vote: Daemon

[StarmanDeluxe]

The comics, joking around as usual, didn't come to a consensus on what to do about the threat to their very lives. The sun set, and the comics wandered back to their homes.

NO ONE WAS LYNCHED ON DAY 01! IT IS NOW NIGHT 02. TARGETS MUST BE SENT BY WEDNESDAY AT 9:00 PM PACIFIC TIME.

[StarmanDeluxe]

Everyone crowded into the central courtyard of Comic Land. The comics were sorely disappointed to find two among their number missing.

The surviving comics routed through their things and found no signs of either comic being in cahoots with The Inkblot.

DAEMON (ODIE from GARFIELD; COMIC) and ALICIA (THE KING from WIZARD OF ID; COMIC) are both Erased during NIGHT 02!

DAY 02 begins! 6 votes for instant lynch, and 4 votes at deadline! Deadline is set for Friday at 9:00 PM Pacific Time!

[joe]

As we've just suffered two losses I don't think that we should lynch in haste.

Radwulf do you know anything regarding why Daemon was voting with you??

[radwulf]

I have no clue, maybe he was targeted by a vote-affecting role. I just hope the double murder was due to a stupid vigilante, and not another killing faction.

[joe]

What's even even worse? There's been some strife amongst the comics in dealing with this threat: it's entirely possible that there are multiple factions of characters, plotting to destroy the others!

I'm kind of worried about that myself

[Diplomat]

Ollie:
Yeah, I'm with Diplomat.

Unvote Zero
Vote Daemon
Diplomat, i meant that i agreed with you about how Daemon seems to be following Radwulf's votes. It wasn't my observation that Daemon was following Radwulf's votes. What I had wondered about was the reason he was doing so. He said that he was obligated to follow someone's votes for some reason. That made me think he was probably not guilty. So if you agreed with me, Ollie, I don't see why you thought he was a bad guy. I think you should explain yourself.
Vote: ollie

[olliep13]

Diplomat:

Let me clear this up. I thought you were saying that it was strange how Radwulf and Daemon were voting together. I was also thinking that, so i said that i agreed with you. This is only my second mafia game and i have never even heard of someone being obligated to vote the same way as someone else. I thought that both Daemon and Radwulf were possibly the mafia so i voted Daemon. I found Daemon's post (#31) to be a bit confusing and I didnt understand what he was saying.

So in the end I thought that Daemon and Radwulf were mafia, so I voted Daemon.

Does that answer your question? Its not that confusing, is it?
Is it really a reason to vote for me???

[radwulf]

Diplomat:
This is only my second mafia game and i have never even heard of someone being obligated to vote the same way as someone else. I thought that both Daemon and Radwulf were possibly the mafia so i voted Daemon. I found Daemon's post (#31) to be a bit confusing and I didnt understand what he was saying.
Whoa, hold on a second. You thought Daemon's voting the same way I did meant me and him were likely scum? Now I understand you're an online mafia newbie, but that doesn't make any sense at all.
vote: ollie

[Helix]

Ok there's been too many comics erased to be subtle about it, so i'm only going to say:
vote radwulf
And you guys should too, because i've checked him out and know what i'm doing.

As for Deamon. It's clear that he was acting on someone's orders, and that given a choice he wouldn't have voted the same as radwulf. Since he was Odie, i can only assume it's Garfield's orders, whoever that is.

[olliep13]

. You thought Daemon's voting the same way I did meant me and him were likely scum? Now I understand you're an online mafia newbie, but that doesn't make any sense at all.
vote: ollie

How does it make no sense? I voted for Daemon because i thought he had an alignment with Radwulf. Its a far better reason than all the random votes that were cast on Day 1 and i hardly see why its now a reason to vote for me.
I mean, im not the only person who voted for Daemon. Alycia was voted too. Doesnt that mean that the people who voted for Daemon and Alycia are just as suspect as me.
I know that all the bandwagonning is just beginning, so i want you guys to realise that there isnt any strong reason for votes against me. Except for the fact that i voted for someone who was suspicious but turned out to be innocent.

[radwulf]

Well, Helix's move forces me to declare my role. I am Dilbert and my only night ability is to search for evil Dogbert and get him killed. It is not clear from my role description whether Dogbert is affiliated with the Inkblot or a separate faction.
My first night target was Beoneknight, and he came out negative.

I have little to defend with against Helix's apparent allegation. I doubt he has the guts/experience and most important the strategic motivation for a gambit, so I'll assume he's some sort of corrupted cop. I think there's a chance some other investigator found me innocent, so maybe you should all wait to see if someone is willing to vouch for my innocence.

[Helix]

Yes, it was deffinetly an allegation.
I am an investigator, i've checked Daemon yesterday he came out as innocent (which he obviously was), i've checked you and you came out guilty.
It's as simple as that, i think it's almost an unwritten rule of the game that when an investiator comes out of hiding like i did with investigation results, taking a big risk, you vote with him.
There is no reason for anyone (including myself) to doubt i'm just a normal cop at this point.

[radwulf]

Although you don't have any indication of it, you are not a normal cop. Even from your point of view, just 1 confirmed result is not enough to establish your "normalness".

[joe]

Radwulf, two questions:
1) How do you know that Helix is not a normal cop? and
2) Who was your target for night 2?

[radwulf]

1) I know because he calls me scum and I am innocent.
2) Beoneknight was my last night's target. I failed to send in a target the first night.

[Helix]

joe, if he was one of the "good guys" and wasn't the one accused, he'd be the first to vote with me, no questions asked.
i shouldn't have to prove that i'm a good cop in this situation (especially considering we wasted a day, have no other leads, and have 3 erased comics already). he knows it very well, he's just using my/our supposed lack of experience to try turn things his way.

[joe]

Yes, Radwulf does seem suspicious but his role claim seems credible.

However in our present condition with 3 losses I feel obliged to side with the investigator.

FOS Radwulf

Can you tell us anymore about your role?

[Diplomat]

Well, I could see how Ollie could have been confused about Daemon's voting. So I'll Unvote: ollie.

As for Radwulf, it's interesting. On one hand, it's likely that Helix is a normal investigator. On the other, Dilbert is a popular comic character, so I don't think radwulf would claim that role if it wasn't true. But it might be his real role and he might be part of an evil faction. For now, I'll Vote: radwulf anyway.

[Diplomat]

Also, I was going to ask Helix to identify his character, but then I realized that this is like Mafia 46, where the bad guys are at a disadvantage if the character names are not revealed. So I think the good comics should refrain from revealing their identities, only their abilities if needed.

[radwulf]

he knows it very well, he's just using my/our supposed lack of experience to try turn things his way.
No sir, I assure you I realize my hopes and chances of getting out of this alive are slim. If I were one of you I would vote for myself by the end of the day. All I'm asking you is too hold on with your vote a few days. It is not the first time I'm a townie declared scum by a self-declared cop. The last time it happened, the town granted me just enough time for someone who knew I was innocent to step forward. All I'm asking is that you do the same.

[radwulf]

Joe: I gave you all the info I had. I could paraphrase some of the stuff in the description but I'd rather not as it'd be deviating from the spirit of the game.

Diplomat, I really don't see how Dilbert could be a bad guy in any logical game set-up, at least as far as I can tell.

[Diplomat]

All right, unvote: radwulf. Maybe someone else can provide more insight on this.

[Helix]

Ok, i have no problem with waiting 'till the deadline, i was a bit surprised to see him claim the Dilbert role too... although on the other hand i have no reason to doubt my own competence as a cop from my role's description, and yesterday's results.
Let's see if someone's willing to tie his fate to radwulf's.
Just remember the deadline is friday, we should have the needed 4 votes on him by then if nothing else comes up.

[Escaped Convict]

ollie:
question: is this your second game of mafia ever?

radwulf, three things:
1. you were rather hurried to jump on bandwagoning for ollie after a night with two kills.


My first night target was Beoneknight, and he came out negative
and then you said
Beoneknight was my last night's target. I failed to send in a target the first night.

2.make up your mind. was it first or second night ?

3.I can't remember when was the last time you FAILED to do what you ought to do at night in a game of mafia. maybe you'll refresh my memory.
I tought you were pretty pragmatic about that.

[olliep13]

Escaped Covnvict: Yes this is my second game of mafia ever, the first one was mafia 46.

[radwulf]

1. No, his logic is dubious. I don't see how he could have thought me and Daemon scum from Daemon voting like me. It was obvious for everyone something was wrong with Daemon's ability to vote.

2. I targeted Beoneknight last night. I failed to send the target in the first.

3. It rarely happens, but it's not unheard of. I remember a game where I failed to send in targets twice, I think one of Heffie's. I've just had a lot on my mind, and I know what happened. I thought about the choice but I was undecided and I didn't send it right away. And later I tagged it in my mind as having sent it.

[creativemind]

well, failing in sending a target happenned to me to, but I can hardly believe it could happen to you, radwulf.
still, we have no evidence that he is scum. like he said, one good result doesn`t prove you`re a good cop, Helix.

just a FOS radwulf for the night when you "forgot" to send the target. I don`t believe you.

[goddessofnin]

Odie and The King were good comics... Many of us knew them well and their great comic ability. They will be missed. *sigh*

I am kind of skeptical about the role claims made thus far. An investigator, and another investigator of sorts...

It is possible that Helix is some kind of novice cop... but how could we know for sure?

If we lynch a townie this day it will be hard for us to obliterate the Inkblot and his minions. If we can't find out who the other evil factions are, then our numbers will continue to decrease until either the Inkblot wins, or the evil faction wins.

Doesn't anyone else have information?

[beoneknight]

It looks to me that we need to lynch radwulf to get info about helix. Helix may be lying about his role, but then this is a gambit that is very difficult to pull off, so i'm gonna say that i trust him on that for now. This leaves only 2 options: he is random or he is normal. I dont think that helix is random (nor can he be novice since he would find everyone innoscent then, right?). So then he is normal and radwulf most likely is guilty. Unless someone else clears radwulf, i am going to vote radwulf, but i will give people some time to post in case there is another cop and he got investigated.

[Diplomat]

Why can't Helix be a random investigator? Is it that that type of cop is uncommon? I don't think we have to necessarily lynch radwulf to find out if Helix is normal or not. That will become clear with further investigations.

[laurlaur]

I'm surprised that there hasn't been much focus on the fact that Radwulf has revealed that the goal of his role is to find and kill the Evil Dogbert. I mean, Evil Dogbert may have the word "evil" in his name, but he's still a comic right? Sure, it's fathomable that this Evil Dogbert is affiliated with the Inkblot, but I think we need to at least consider the possibility that Radwulf's role is part of that special faction. Maybe too much stress at work has sent Dilbert over the edge...

[laurlaur]

Sorry I forgot to say that regardless of my above comment, I think it's a bad call to lynch Radwulf just to see if we can figure out what kind of cop helix is. We can't afford to be taking too many chances here.

[beoneknight]

This is the reason i believe that random cop would not be in this game:

1) this has been quoted before by someone before, but here is is again

What's even even worse? There's been some strife amongst the comics in dealing with this threat: it's entirely possible that there are multiple factions of characters, plotting to destroy the others!

2) last night there were 2 kills, which makes it almost certain that there is more then one evil in this game.

Given these two premises, i believe that my conclusion that there is no random cop in this game is valid because this would make it very difficult on town. Is it possible that radwulf joined is actually Dilbert and that he joined the cause of inkblot? i think so. vote radwulf

[radwulf]

He could also be a novice cop, getting "bad" for people who are active at night, and "good" for the rest. It is rather unusual for all the cops in a game to be normal.

[Diplomat]

Something that occurred to me recently was the question of how do we tell the difference between good comics and bad comics. Are the "bad" characters supposed to be the ones that are bad by nature, like Catbert from the Dilbert strip? Or could any comic character potentially belong to any team? Seeing as how there aren't too many "evil" characters in the comic strips, I think any of us are equally as likely to have joined the Inkblot's cause. Therefore, I'll assume Helix is correct and Vote: radwulf. I'm not going to encourage anyone else to vote for him. That is just my opinion, but I could be wrong. Everyone should make their own decision.

[radwulf]

Comparing the description of characters (mine and Dogbert) that I got with other sources, I would say Dogbert is definitely a character you can only expect as a bad role, whereas mine would require a good deal of stretching to make it an evil role.

[goddessofnin]

I still believe in the possibility of Helix being some type of novice or naive cop... beoneknight hasn't really presented a good argument as to why this isn't possible.

Also, if it is possible that we are equally capable of being part of the Inkblot's faction... who is to say that beoneknight is not part of Inkblot's crew or another faction?

Is it possible that radwulf joined is actually Dilbert and that he joined the cause of inkblot? i think so.

I don't think beoneknight has enough knowledge to assert that this is true... unless there is something that he is not telling us. Is it suspicious that he can say with conviction that Dilbert would be a bad character... I mean seriously, Dilbert is like the hero of all geeks everywhere.

Since I cannot assert that radwulf is NOT guilty... I don't think I'll be voting today. But I find it odd that someone who doesn't claim to have any knowledge other that given to us by someone we cannot confirm is a proper cop can be so sure about someone else's guilt.

FOS beoneknight

[Helix]

well to me the facts are clear and it is very likely that radwulf is guilty:

considering that i was right on the first day and i found radwulf guilty on the 2nd, i must either be a normal, or random cop (or maybe novice).
there's no hints in everything that i've read about my character or the description i've got from the mod to suggest that he wouldn't be very competent at what he does.

radwulf is known to be practically always the target of investigation in the first few days, so if there would be another investigator he would have likely infirmed or confirmed my conclusions by now. so i deduce that i am likely the only investigator, and thus a normal one (because in the game this size, there has to be at least one normal cop, or else the game would just be too imbalanced)

and from his own role description, his role is not so crucial (investigative or doctor), that his lynch might be a complete disaster. as beoneknight rightly said, even if with the very small chance he might be innocent, it is worth it to find out if we can trust my results.

i could give you links to mafias in the old forum, to show you that this is a basic mafia principle, you trust the investigator's results until he's proven wrong, because they're the best possible leads, much stronger then the strongest suspicion you might have from what someone says, and because by exposing myself i've taken a big risk for you.
are you guys trying to imply that a cop should say nothing until day 4-5 because you need to be 100% sure of what he says ? the game could be over by then.. only a mafia would say that a cop needs to prove 2-3 correct investigators before he is of any use.

creative:
we have no evidence that he is scum. like he said, one good result doesn`t prove you`re a good cop, Helix.
no evidence that he is scum ? well how stronger evidence do you need then a mail from the moderator saying he's guilty.. a confession ?

laurlaur
I think it's a bad call to lynch Radwulf just to see if we can figure out what kind of cop helix is. We can't afford to be taking too many chances here.
it is not a bad call, it's standard mafia practice. i did get one good result, the chances of me not being normal are pretty slim. stop making it look like it's a 50% chance !
what we can't afford is waste another day because we're 90% and not 100% sure...

as for goddessofnin, no comment (or if you want read above)
she seems very likely mafia too me, she just wants another day go by without a vote, and attacks beoneknight's good points with rather confused and weak arguments.

to end it, here's quoting from radwulf, earlier:
If I were one of you I would vote for myself by the end of the day. All I'm asking you is too hold on with your vote a few days.
to note vote for radwulf in the situation we're in even if no investigation gives any information clearing him, is a clear sign that either you're a lousy player or a mafia.
i have a feeling this is going to be one of those games where mafia win because the citizens aren't active enough to vote :mad:

[zero]

well, you could be a random cop as well
like getting a good response in the first night, bad one in the next, good one in the third and so on...

[joe]

I doubt that Helix would perform a gambit this early in the game.
Vote: Radwulf

[olliep13]

I'm pretty sure that helix is telling the truth.
So I'm gonna Vote Radwulf

[Diplomat]

Whoa, hold on. No one's doubting that Helix is telling the truth. What we don't know for sure is whether his investigation results are accurate. If Radwulf turns out to be innocent, you guys will be on my suspect list for bandwagoning.

[radwulf]

Well, with 3 more innocent corpses by tomorrow morning, at least you won't start from zero. :)

[Diplomat]

Who says they're going to be innocent? With increasingly fewer people remaining, it's more and more likely that the different factions will target people from other factions.

[Escaped Convict]

vote: radwulf

[radwulf]

Diplomat, you're correct. It'd be funny however if only townies get hit again, as the town will probably be a minority.

[StarmanDeluxe]

The comics were riled and had utterly left their usually jovial nature behind them. They had managed to rationally discuss the possibly evil intentions of radwulf, and had come to the conclusion that he was one of the Inkblot's evil cronies.

The giant eraser showed no mercy: radwulf had vanished instantly. The comics rushed to radwulf's home to find a bone, some dog food, and a manual on the art of world domination.

RADWULF (DOGBERT from DILBERT, INKBLOT'S MINION) was Erased on DAY 02!

It is now NIGHT 03! Deadline for targets is Sunday at 9:00 PM Pacific Time!

[StarmanDeluxe]

The night passes quietly for most, but one old-time comic would not wake to see the light of day, but would rather find themselves caught in the void that is Erasure.

That comic was Beetle Bailey.

DIPLOMAT (BEETLE from BEETLE BAILEY; Comic) was Erased on NIGHT 03!

It is now DAY 03! Deadline is set for TUESDAY, 9:00 PM PACIFIC TIME.

[goddessofnin]

Beetle Bailey was a good man. None of us will ever forget how he aggravated The Sarge for our comic relief. He will be missed... *sigh*

OK Helix, who did you investigate last night?

[beoneknight]

I still believe in the possibility of Helix being some type of novice or naive cop...

I'm gonna vote the one who instead of voting radwulf defended him, and tried to present arguments against validity of helix's investigations.


Since I cannot assert that radwulf is NOT guilty... I don't think I'll be voting today.

How much of a mafia move is this?! You dont vote, dont suggest any better targets, and instead say that you are just not going to vote and cover yourself in the 'just in case' they will lynch radwulf.

vote goddessofnin

[Helix]

Ok, i investigated creativemind.
It turns out that he's not a minion of the inkbloat, but he's part of a rebel faction of comics. I'm not sure we should vote for him but we definetly can't trust him.

for now i too will vote godessofnin for her hard work at trying to save dogbert yesterday (but let's keep it a few votes guys, to see what she has to say for herself).

my suspect list (sorted from most suspect to least). i suspect probably 3 of them are on the inkblot's side.

Goddessofnin
Laurlaur
Zero
Joe
Olliep13
EscapedConvict
Beoneknight
Helix

CreativeMind - we know what he is what are we going to do about it ?

[beoneknight]

I'm willing to go with whatever Helix decides. I think that voting creative mind would be the best thing to do right now. I would prefer to go with sure lynch of a bad guy instead of trying to get something that is unkown. So i'd prefer to lynch Creativemind, but i'm going to follow Helix's vote, since he is the only other player that i trust in this game right now.

[creativemind]

I agree. vote creativemind

[creativemind]

On second thaught, hold on, I'm innocent and I know it.
It seems to me at least curious how Helix receives all sort of results for his investigations. First, he gets "innocent/guilty" results,
I am an investigator, i've checked Daemon yesterday he came out as innocent (which he obviously was), i've checked you and you came out guilty.
then he gets "on the inkbloat side/not on their side".
Ok, i investigated creativemind.
It turns out that he's not a minion of the inkbloat, but he's part of a rebel faction of comics
You should try fooling someone else, I wouldn't fall for it if i were anyone else but me. And since I am me, I still don't believe you.
unvote creativemind
As for beoneknight, I don`t even know what to say. All you said was "I will do whatever Helix decides, it's better to go with Helix and I'll do the same thing Helix does. Follow Helix."
Are you two masons or smth? If so, let us know.

[beoneknight]

No, we are not masons.... But here is the thing: you've been accused by an investigator. On top of that one who has been shown to be correct in the past. I want to hear a role claim from both goddesofnin and creative mind. After we hear the roles, i think we can decide on the lynch for tonight.

[Helix]

ROFL creativemind

after basicly pushing alone for the elimination of radwulf yesterday, without him doing anything before to incriminate himself, you're acusing me ?
sorry but i don't play that bad :rolleyes:

are you saying you're not part of a rebel faction ?
just for everybody's info. i don't get a single word from the moderator, "guilty" or "innocent", i get a very short story every time. ofcourse i'm not allowed to paste emails from the moderator since those are the game rules, so i posted what's relevant (i.e. guilty or innocent).

your acusation are nothing short of hilarious. it's pretty sure by now i'm the only investigator, so i couldn't be a bad one, could i ?

i'm flattered though that at least at first i've managed to convince you enough to vote for yourself. my mad persuasion skills do that to people :D

ok back to the serious topic, why i didn't vote for creative - the moderator's description of the bad guys:


1)What's worse? By the powers of tons of money, the producers have been able to manifest themselves in the world of comics in the form of a terrible creature: The Inkblot. He floats along unnoticed, sometimes assuming the shape of real comic characters in order to achieve his goal: Erasure of all the comics!
2)What's even worse? Some of the characters, fearing for their lives, have joined The Inkblot's cause.
3)What's even even worse? There's been some strife amongst the comics in dealing with this threat: it's entirely possible that there are multiple factions of characters, plotting to destroy the others!


creative is of the 3rd type, while radwulf was of the 2nd.
from the mod's description i assume that the 3rd type's goal is to eliminate the inkblot, it's minions then the rest of us.
so i think it's more important to first target the inkblot side, because at least for now it's in both ours and the rebel's interest to eliminate that threat, especially considering our small numbers.
we still have time to decide on this, i'd like to hear more people's opinion...

[olliep13]

I think we should lynch creativemind today since we have proof that he belongs to one of the factions. Helix, why dont you investigate Goddessofnin tonight? Then, if she's guilty we could lynch her the next day. I'm not saying that Goddessofnin isn't suspicious but it would be a better idea to lynch her tomorrow when she's been investigated.

Vote Creativemind

[laurlaur]

creativemind, if that post was an attempt to clear yourself, you did a very bad job of it. The fact is that you've been accused of being part of a mason group, and you didn't even address the issue. Instead you just tried to discredit the cop, who by now seems pretty obviously to be normal. Bad call on your part, you should have come up with SOME kind of defense!
vote:creativemind

[goddessofnin]

Ooops... did I say that out loud?

Beoneknight: If you really think I am mafia, then have Helix investigate me, I have nothing to hide. I think your argument was completely retarded. I didn't suggest any alternative targets for lynching because I didn't HAVE information. If I was a comic which had a nighttime ability, then I would have said something if I thought that it was helpful. But I am just a comic.

Helix: I was defending someone who said they were DILBERT. How the HELL would I know that he wasn't who he said he was? Now that you have been proven to be a normal cop since radwulf was indeed mafia, I don't see why my asking you who you investigated is suspicious.

[goddessofnin]

I agree with laurlaur, creativemind's argument against Helix's accusation was kinda weak. After Helix finding radwulf guilty, and then him really being mafia, I think we can trust Helix's information.

If there is another investigator who wants to try to discredit Helix, why don't you come out?

But for now, I will trust Helix as it's proven that helix must be normal.

vote: creativemind

[beoneknight]

I'm not going to be able to post tomorrow (i have finals tomorrow and on wednesday), so i'm going to this now:

unvote goddesofnin
vote creativemind

Having said this, goddess, i do believe you are not associated with creative mind. However, i dont believe the fact that you are not part of Inkblot's minions, or given your eagerness to get investigated maybe even a mafia godfather. If you are town, finding out an innoscent is beneficial to us, but finding out a guilty party is even more beneficial. So if you were in fact innoscent, then you would rather have helix investigate and find someone guilty, rather then confirm someones innoscence. (confirming someone innoscence would just make them a mafia target).

[zero]

vote creativemind

[goddessofnin]

Beoneknight: If I didn't invite Helix to investigate me, you'd just claim that I was just saying I'm innocent without proof..

My willingness to be investigated by Helix is so that you would just shut the hell up and stop trying to lynch an innocent person (me).

That being said, I honestly don't care who is investigated next. I just hope that more innocent comics don't eat the eraser.

[StarmanDeluxe]

Ok, I didn't mention this, but the vote cut-off was five. And we have five. Moving on!

As soon as Helix uttered the words that creativemind was a crooked comic, he had no chance. Within minutes the comics had whipped out their eraser and creativemind had vanished.

CREATIVEMIND (Hobbes from Calvin & Hobbes; Traitor Comic) was Erased on DAY 03!

It is now NIGHT 04! Targets due Thursday at 9:00 PM Pacific.

[StarmanDeluxe]

The night passes and the citizens of Comic Land awake to find their number one smaller.

BEONEKNIGHT (Calvin from Calvin & Hobbes; Traitor Comic) is Erased on NIGHT 04!

It is now DAY 04! Deadline for voting is Friday, 9:00 PM Pacific. Four votes for instant lynch, three at deadline.

[joe]

Helix, who did you investigate last night?

[laurlaur]

well we certainly got lucky! We must have a vigilante with a good shot. Normally I'd assume that Calvin and Hobbes had some kind of linkage like antagonist brothers, but since they were both evil, that seems unlikely. Either way, we might actually have a chance to catch up now if we can make a proper lynch today.
Any news Helix?

[goddessofnin]

I'd normally say: "Calvin was a good boy, I'm sad to see Calvin go... because I love that comic strip..." but he happened to be bad... so, I'll skip my eulogy.

What's worse? By the powers of tons of money, the producers have been able to manifest themselves in the world of comics in the form of a terrible creature: The Inkblot. He floats along unnoticed, sometimes assuming the shape of real comic characters in order to achieve his goal: Erasure of all the comics!

I think we should be a little suspicious of people who have been too quiet. They've been able to skate by without saying much... lending to the floating along unnoticed.

Any other information?

[joe]

What's with you goddess?? You talk about people who, as you say, have been able to skate by without saying much as being suspicious. While all you seem to talk about is how sad you feel when characters are erased etc.

Calvin was a good boy, I'm sad to see Calvin go

Beetle Bailey was a good man. None of us will ever forget how he aggravated The Sarge for our comic relief. He will be missed...

Until i hear from Helix FOS Goddessofnin

[Helix]

Ok guys, i investiagated zero (for being so inactive), and he came out innocent.

So today, we have to relay on our reasoning and instincts :).

[goddessofnin]

Joe... that's honestly the dumbest reason to be suspicious of a person. If you hadn't noticed, I did eulogies for everyone except for Dogbert and Hobbes. And you completely twisted my post... if you're going to quote, quote the whole damn line:

I'd normally say: "Calvin was a good boy, I'm sad to see Calvin go... because I love that comic strip..." but he happened to be bad... so, I'll skip my eulogy.

As for you... you've only posted like 5 or 6 times this whole game... so is that why you're trying to implicate me for no reason? I didn't name any names... so it's not like I was saying "Everyone vote for Joe!!!".

Also, it seems to me that you AREN'T sad when characters are erased... good or bad. At least that is how your last post read. So, I guess that means you don't care if the town loses.... In my eyes that makes you suspicious.

FOS Joe

[olliep13]

Vote Escapedconvict
We need to keep this game moving!
I think that Escapedconvicts's low number of posts this game is quite suspicious. He normally posts quite a lot.

[StarmanDeluxe]

Hmmm... Interest in this game is dwindling and we really ought to wrap it up before Christmas. So GET ACTIVE!

Deadline extended until Sunday at 7:00 PM.

[olliep13]

If anyone other than helix has some investigative info then now would be a good time to reveal it. If we actually want to win then I think we need a lot more input.

[goddessofnin]

Well... I guess I will vote Joe because he made me mad. Honestly, of all the lamest arguments.... his was even worse than Calvin's.. and since Calvin was a rogue, maybe he is, too.

[Helix]

Too me it still looks like luarlaur and godess are still the most suspicious characters around...
I mean vigilante ? That was a rebel faction member killed (very likely by the mafia).
so i'll vote laurlaur and hope we might progress further.

[goddessofnin]

I am offended by still being under suspicion... Seriously Helix, what reason do you have to be suspicious of me.. other than still being alive? Anyway, I'll go along with Helix since deadline is near and we need to get to the bottom of this.

unvote: Joe

vote: laurlaur

[laurlaur]

Hey sorry I've been inactive-finals time..
Anyways, I'm innocent guys. If you want a role claim I'll give it to you. But I don't even see how that would be necessary. You can easily look back over thie game and see that I've been innocent. Oh yeah helix, haha i admit the vigilante comment was dumb. My mind has been random. I thought of that afterwards but at the time i forgot about the rebel faction thing.
I'm most suspicious of GoN right now. You've got that "overly defensive to the point of being agressive" thing going on, which has always indicated mafia to me in the past. My hunch is that you're the godfather..which would explain why you were so willing to be investigated.
so...I'll just vote Goddess of Nin

[StarmanDeluxe]

The comics were panic-stricken and many of them found themselves unable to speak. That must explain the inactivity.

DAY 04 is now over!

It is now NIGHT 05! Please send targets by Wednesday at 9 PM Pacific.

[StarmanDeluxe]

The comics, after an uneventful day earlier, woke up sleepily, but were shocked and deeply saddened when they found one of their number missing.

HELIX (Linus from Peanuts, Comic) Erased on NIGHT 05!

It is now DAY 05! 4 votes for instant lynch, 3 at deadline! Deadline is Saturday at 9:00 PM Pacific Time!

[olliep13]

My suspect list right now:

Laurlaur
Goddess of Nin
Escaped convict
Joe
Zero
Vote Laurlaur

[joe]

As there was only one death last night I think that there are no more traitor comics, only those of the inkblot's minion which Radwulf was a part of. As Helix is gone (where was the doctor?) there is not much to go on. However even though Radwulf was found guilty by Helix, GoddessofNIn protected him and tried to divert attention to another comic.

Since I cannot assert that radwulf is NOT guilty... I don't think I'll be voting today. But I find it odd that someone who doesn't claim to have any knowledge other that given to us by someone we cannot confirm is a proper cop can be so sure about someone else's guilt.

FOS beoneknight

For that reason vote Goddessofnin

[laurlaur]

yup, i said it yesterday and I'll say it again today, I think goddess is definitely dirty.
And Ollie, I'm innocent so I think it would be best if we just vote Goddess and then at least eliminate that one person, and then we can go from there.
Why wasn't the doctor protecting Helix last night? I hope there's a good reason and they iddn't just forget to send a target or something, cause we're at a bit of a disadvantage now.
vote:goddessofnin

[olliep13]

Geez, I really don't know who to vote for. Goddessofnin seems suspicious from the way she protected Radwulf. Escapedconvict has been so quiet that he is one of my suspects. Laurlaur was one of Helix's suspects and then she had that vigilante comment. Zero is the only one who has been proved innocent.

I think goddessofnin should make a roleclaim and then I'll decide if I should change my vote.

[goddessofnin]

To respond to joe:
I was suspicious of beoneknight and it turned out he was a traitor comic. I didn't see you trying to tell anyone that he was not bad. Just bcause I wasn't sure who to vote for on the first day shouldn't make me suspicious. Besides, laurlaur did it, too: Sorry I forgot to say that regardless of my above comment, I think it's a bad call to lynch Radwulf just to see if we can figure out what kind of cop helix is. We can't afford to be taking too many chances here.

To respond to laurlaur:
I don't see why I should be any more suspicious than you.
well we certainly got lucky! We must have a vigilante with a good shot. Normally I'd assume that Calvin and Hobbes had some kind of linkage like antagonist brothers, but since they were both evil, that seems unlikely. Either way, we might actually have a chance to catch up now if we can make a proper lynch today.
Any news Helix?
You can play that off as just being a comment you made while not thinking... but I think there's something more behind it.

To respond to olliep13:
Sure, if I am suspicious of protecting radwulf, then so should laurlaur. I won't make any roleclaim... not that it would matter.

I am trying to tell you guys I am innocent, and you guys won't believe me. But laurlaur can say she is innocent and you'll believe her.

I think that's kind of backwards. Joe hasn't said whether he is innocent or not. In fact, when I said before that we should be suspicious of people who were not posting much, he kinda blew up at me. At which point laurlaur found me suspicious of trying to defend myself when that was exactly what Helix did by investigating the least posts player.

Now, if I didn't know any better... I'd say laurlaur and joe are suspicious... and so quick to bandwagon me.

I'd say joe is probably the Inkblot.

Vote: Joe

[olliep13]

Looking at the results from Day 3, there are only two people who didn't vote for creativemind. They are Joe and Escapedconvict. But then there are also Laurlaur, goddessofnin and zero who didn't vote Radwulf. It's really hard for me to pick who is scum and who isnt.

As soon as Day 3 started and the Creativemind bandwagon began, Joe pretty much stopped posting. Since then I think he's tried to remain under the radar until just recently.

Joe seems a good lynch to me. Vote Joe.

If anyone has any night info from any stage in the game, then please share it now! Until then, my vote remains on Joe.

[StarmanDeluxe]

Deadline is extended to Monday at 3:00 PM Pacific Time.

[joe]

Okay I am Garfield and have no special abilities. I didn't have anything to do with Daemon's votes on day 1 as someone suggested.

Goddessofnin - being suspicious of Beoneknight doesn't clear you because if you are in the inkblot's minion then you would be gunning for him still.

I'm willing to be lynched today to prove my innocence. Then you will all see how guilty Goddessofnin is.

To respond to laurlaur:
I don't see why I should be any more suspicious than you.

Quote:
well we certainly got lucky! We must have a vigilante with a good shot. Normally I'd assume that Calvin and Hobbes had some kind of linkage like antagonist brothers, but since they were both evil, that seems unlikely. Either way, we might actually have a chance to catch up now if we can make a proper lynch today.
Any news Helix?


You can play that off as just being a comment you made while not thinking... but I think there's something more behind it.

How is that suspicious?!

I am trying to tell you guys I am innocent, and you guys won't believe me.

At least you could make a name claim to prove to us you are not guilty - afterall you are the most suspicious after me now.


Unvote Goddessofnin
Vote Joe

Hopefull you'll now see that I am innocent!!

[laurlaur]

To respond to laurlaur:
I don't see why I should be any more suspicious than you.

Quote:
well we certainly got lucky! We must have a vigilante with a good shot. Normally I'd assume that Calvin and Hobbes had some kind of linkage like antagonist brothers, but since they were both evil, that seems unlikely. Either way, we might actually have a chance to catch up now if we can make a proper lynch today.
Any news Helix?


You can play that off as just being a comment you made while not thinking... but I think there's something more behind it.

AGH! Ok, let's say, for argument's sake, that there was "something more" behind that comment...What exactly are you implying? What could be "behind" my comment? I already told you, I was having a blond moment, but I'm truly intrigued to hear how that comment makes me suspicious.
The fact that Beoneknight was going after you so openly and you even went as far as to call him stupid in one post, and then he DIES the next night seems WAY more suspicious to me. Not to mention your overt protection ofRadwulf. And I am surprised that you tried to make it look like I was defending Radwulf too. Maybe you should have posted the quote of what I said right before that, which was that I thought Radwulf was probably evil.
I don't understand why people are taking so long to come around. Goddess is obviously dirty, and ollie is next on my list.
confirm vote:goddess of nin
EDIT:I almost forgot, Joe don't vote yourself just to make a point. If you really are innocent then we need you.

[joe]

Okay I think it's so, SO OBVIOUS that Goddessofnin is guilty and it makes me sick that people aren't voting for her. If Zero and Escaped Convict contributed we could lynch her. I'll give her my vote again so that if someone else sees some sense we could get rid of her. Ollie and Goddessofnin, Laurlaur hasn't done anything that seems suspicious, plus with 2 votes goddess if you were innocent you would have probably made a role claim and stopped twisting people's words

Unvote Joe
Vote Goddessofnin

[olliep13]

Ok, here goes my long post:

First of all, I am Lucy from Peanuts and I am an insane cop. I waited to tell you this until now so that I wouldn't get killed at night; I figured the doctor would be protecting Helix. Anyway I think it's ok if I were to die at night now because now i have a whole list of investigative info to hand over.

On night 1, I investigated Heffie and found her to be guilty. The next morning, when we were told she was a townie I realised that I was not a normal cop.

On Night 2, I investigated Radwulf and he was found innocent. I didn't know whether I was a novice cop or an insane cop. Anyway i voted Radwulf and then I realised that I was indeed an insane cop.

On Night 3 I investigated Zero and he was found guilty (innocent)

On Night 4, I investigated Goddess and she was also found guilty (innocent)

And then last night I investigated EC and he was found guilty (innocent)

So then the only two people left in the game who I have not investigated are Laurlaur and Joe. I think that Joe is a member of the Calvin and Hobbes faction since he never voted Creativemind and that Laurlaur is part of the other one since she never voted Radwulf after Helix made it clear to everyone that he was indeed mafia.

Anyway I think we should lynch Joe today so my vote remains on him. Joe's "wanting to lynch himself" was a pretty stupid attempt to claim innocence. He changed his vote two posts later.

Joe, you didn't post for the whole of Day 3 when we were told about Creativemind by Helix. You attempted to stay under te radar.

Laurlaur, you really should have voted Radwulf. I think it's a bad call to lynch Radwulf

And that's all. I'm sure that both Joe and Laurlaur are going to dispute everything i've said. Zero and Escapedconvict, if you ever come online in the next century, you really should vote for Joe.

[joe]

I have a feeling that he's lying. Not only because his investigations yield nothing (1 on someone who died that night, 2 that were EXACTLY THE SAME as helix's and two more innocent verdicts against his mafia buddies) but that he's voting for me even though he hasn't investigated me.

However, if our friend Lucy IS innocent then he would agree to this proposition:

(This will only work if there are 1-2 mafias left, which i think there are)

Basically we lynch goddessofnin, who seems suspicious anyway and also to determine if he's telling the truth. (Down to 5 people)

Then at night Ollie can investigate me to see that I'm innocent, we will probably suffer one loss. (Down to 4 people).

In the morning if we find that ollie was lying then we lynch him for a town victory. If we find that he was telling the truth he would have investigated me and we'll lynch Laurlaur, the only one who wouldn't have been proven innocent, again hopefully for a town victory.

If you really ARE innocent Ollie (and everyone else) then you'd have no problem with this.

[laurlaur]

ok so i looked back over the old posts and it looks like ollie might be clean after all. The reason I think that is the fact that Radwulf (inkblot's minion) voted against him, i think it was in day 2.
Hey wait a minute though, if I'm going to take Radwulf voting against him as a sign of his innocence, then by my theory that should tell you guys that I'm innocent too after that bandwagoon Radwulf started against me on day 1.
Either way, I still find it ollie's role claim odd...but I guess one normal cop and one insane cop is plausible considering we're fighting not only the inkblot and his crew but the little sub factions as well...
I don't know what to do now...if I choose to believe you, then I have to believe that Goddess is innocent, but I just have SUCH a feeling that she's guilty!
My vote will stay as is. If we lynch her and she turns out to be innocent, you can feel free to investigate me tonight...if you even are a cop at all. You could just be making it up. Gah such a dilemma..

[goddessofnin]

Bah! Fine, I'll tell you who I am. Like I said though, it won't matter.

I'm Woodstock (Peanuts).

I have no special powers. I just love everything. Which reminds me:

We will miss Linus. He was a good man. May he and his blanket rest in peace. No longer will we hear his tales about The Great Pumpkin. *sigh* He definitely will be missed.

Sorry, I forgot that earlier.

(OOC: Will be kinda busy this next week so please forgive if my posts are less frequent.)

[goddessofnin]

Oh and another thing (didn't want to bother with a post edit):

Joe, you should talk. You were the first one to twist my posts around to try to make me look suspicious. Don't tell me that you didn't. So, you shouldn't try to act all high and mighty now.

Laurlaur, sorry if my post seemed to be twisting your words, but the fact remains that you, too, didn't want to lynch radwulf at the time and abstained from voting that day.

Olliep13, I'm a little skeptical about your role claim, but again, since nobody else is offering any input, other than saying I am suspicious because of things that they themselves have also done, I don't see a reason to change my vote just yet. But I am now suspicious of you, too.

Wow... that just made me sound paranoid.

[laurlaur]

Joe, your idea seems fine to me except for one problem. What if Ollie gets killed at night? The doctor obviously didn't protect Helix last time so what if the doctor doesn't protect ollie tonight?
If that happens, we're down two townies (GofN and Ollie) and we won't be able to hear the results of ollie's investigation.
On the other hand, if we lynch goddess and find that ollie was lying then problem solved.
EC and LZC, it would be really helpful if you were posting right now.

[olliep13]

OK, I'll go along with Joe's plan, because the town can still win.
So I will vote Goddess and then you will know that I am telling the truth. Then, tonight I will investigate laurlaur or Joe. If I survive through the night, then I will tell you the results. So the town should win...

Unvote Laurlaur, Vote Goddessofnin

[StarmanDeluxe]

EscapedConvict is struck down due to inactivity. Diplomat A has replaced him.

[goddessofnin]

Ok... you're losing another townie if you get rid of me. I still don't see what makes me so damned guilty... there are still 3 of you who haven't made role claims. And again, I assert that I think it's because they are guilty and don't want to draw attention to themselves and so are trying to make innocent people look bad. (Joe mentioned that I had a vendetta against Beoneknight, and then the next night Beoneknight was killed... if I was mafia, why the heck would I do that?? So I could look even more suspicious??)

I am not sure I believe that Garfield (Joe) wouldn't have any special abilities, considering Odie's (Daemon) "special" ability to be a follower.

But, I still am not surprised because I knew that a role claim from me would have been useless.

You guys have wanted to get rid of me from the start. That's fine.

And I know ollie is just voting for me because I find him suspicious. I don't see why that should worry you, ollie, considering nobody else believes me anyway.

[Diplomat]

Glad to be back, y'all. I've been dying to set things straight here ever since Beetle was Erased.

To me, it's pretty clear that GoN is guilty. It's been obvious since day 3. It's fair to assume, like Joe said, that the group of traitor comics is gone. Otherwise, we would have had 2 kills in the last 2 nights. I also think that the doctor is gone too. I mean, any of the erased characters on the town's side could have been the doc. There's no way to tell from their identities. Also, you guys seem to have forgotten that Radwulf was gunning hard for Laurlar's death on day 1. That clears her without much doubt. So I don't know why anyone would suspect her.

Anyway, the reason I believe GoN is guilty is that she was quick to assume that Helix wasn't a normal cop on the day we voted off Radwulf. She was also quick to follow Helix's vote for Laur on day 4 without considering that she might be innocent from what happened on the first day. Helix may have made a mistake, but it was any good comic's duty to review the facts. GoN also invited Helix to investigate her. Bad sign, because any good comic would be concerned about a cop wasting a night's investigation. Oh yeah, the reason Ollie didn't find her guilty, if he's telling the truth, is that she has a godfather-type role. (I'm not sure if the Inkblot is actually a character, or if the leader of his minion is someone else.)

I'll wait for Goddess to respond before voting for her.

[laurlaur]

THANK YOU! Yes that is what I've been saying! I thought we established ages ago that Goddess was probably the godfather type person so let's get going here people!

[joe]

Welcome back diplomat - it's great to have another active person in the game.

I think you're right on about goddess and yeah she seems to be the only guilty one here. Hopefully this'll win it for us. C'mon goddess defend your self you inkblot.

[zero]

I'm back a bit.. sorry for the inactivity
think I'll vote joe

[Diplomat]

Huh? Any reason why you picked Joe, Zero, or is it just random?

I probably won't be able to check the thread before the deadline, so I'm going to cast the deciding vote for Goddess now.

[zero]

never mind
unvote joe and i vote goddess
apparently it was a mistake
didnt read the whole stuff and due to my inactivity i didnt have the chance to see the whole game.

[StarmanDeluxe]

GoddessOfNin, being cornered by the comics, could not keep up her imposter-comic shape under the intense pressure. She morphed into her true form: The Inkblot! The comics erased the diabolical evil in seconds.

It is now NIGHT 06! Please send targets by Wednesday, 4:00 PM Pacific.

[StarmanDeluxe]

The comics, dwindling in number, were all displeased to find another one Erased.

EscapedConvict/Diplomat (Jason from FoxTrot, Comic) was Erased on NIGHT 06!

It is now DAY 06! Deadline is Saturday at 9:00 PM Pacific. Three votes for instant lynch, two at deadline!

[olliep13]

Wow, I didn't think I'd make it through the night. GoN being the godfather explains my investigation.

OK so last night I investigated Laurlaur and she came up innocent which means she's guilty. If there is only one faction left, then I think laurlaur must be the last mafia left because if there were two then the game would be over.

So at this stage of the game my results show:

Zero - Townie
Laurlaur - Mafia
Joe - Unknown
Olliep13 - Cop

If the Calvin and Hobbes faction still exists (which i doubt) then I think they may also have a godfather type role who may be either Zero or Joe, but probably Zero.

But since i have the info about laurlaur, Vote Laurlaur

[zero]

vote LaurLaur
in my opinion.. this is the last mafiascum

[joe]

vote laurlaur

[laurlaur]

well I guess I'm already dead since it only takes three for instant lynch. That was most uncool of you guys to lynch me without letting me even try to defend myself, especially considering I'm innocent and it's been obvious that I'm innocent. So I assume Ollie is a baddie. Oh well, guess we lost. I guess everyone just wanted this game to be over in time for xmas, but we could still have won! Bah!

[StarmanDeluxe]

Laurlaur (SNOOPY from PEANUTS; COMIC) was swept up in the dwindling crowd and Erased on DAY 06.

And, with that, the game ends! INKBLOT'S MINIONS WIN!

Here's a role breakdown:

Heffie – CHARLIE BROWN (PEANUTS)
Daemon - ODIE (GARFIELD)
Alicia - THE KING (WIZARD OF ID)
Radwulf - DOGBERT (DILBERT) - INKBLOT'S MINION
Diplomat - BEETLE (BEETLE BAILEY)
CreativeMind - HOBBES (CALVIN & HOBBES) - TRAITOR COMIC
Beoneknight - CALVIN (CALVIN & HOBBES) - TRAITOR COMIC
Helix - LINUS (PEANUTS)
Goddessofnin - THE INKBLOT
EscapedConvict/Diplomat - JASON (FOXTROT)
Olliep13 – DILBERT (DILBERT) - INKBLOT'S MINION
Joe - GARFIELD (GARFIELD)
Zero – JEREMY DUNCAN (ZITS)
Laurlaur - SNOOPY (PEANUTS)

Beetle (Beetle Bailey): A dismally stupid enlisted member of the US Army who likes nothing more than to sleep during basic training. Beetle does not have any special abilities. (Unwritten: Beetle will finally "wake up" two nights into the game, and he will gain the ability to sacrifice himself in the name of his country; i.e. a suicide attack at night.)

Calvin (Calvin and Hobbes): The sarcastic trouble-making kid who’s best friends with a tiger. He hates girls, loves sledding, and is, for whatever reason, frequently depicted as urinating on something undesirable. Calvin, being a retired comic character, isn’t much worried about the fate of the other comics—he and his tiger buddy, Hobbes, are out only for themselves. They have the ability to choose a character to Erase at night. Calvin always has the final say in this decision.

Hobbes (Calvin and Hobbes): A doll that is brought to life thanks to the active imagination of his young owner, Calvin. He’s mischievous and a troublemaker who knows no limits. Hobbes, being a retired comic character, isn’t much worried about the fate of the other comics—he and his real-life buddy, Calvin, are out only for themselves. They have the ability to choose a character to Erase at night. Calvin always has the final say in this decision.

Dilbert (Dilbert): Dilbert is the classic smart aleck. He’s way smarter than anyone else around the office, but he still proceeds to live a go-nowhere life as an engineer at a dead-end company. Dilbert, desperately seeking some way to improve his meager existence, has aligned with Dogbert and the Inkblot in their quest to sell out all the comics to Hollywood so that they can have bad films made about them. Collectively, they call themselves “The Producers.” Dilbert has a special dislike for Linus van Pelt of Peanuts fame. How can a kid be so attached to stupid blanket? Dilbert can search at night for Linus, and if he finds him, he can steal his blanket and cause him untold amounts of grief. Dilbert, Dogbert, and the Inkblot can communicate at night and decide whom to Erase. The Inkblot always has the final say, however.

Dogbert (Dilbert): Dogbert is a dog of many callings: satanic pet, satanic human resources director, and most likely Satan himself. He technically “belongs” to Dilbert, but if you put the two up against each other, Dogbert would have Dilbert outsmarted in a jiffy. Dogbert, always looking for ways to torment people, has joined with Dilbert and the Inkblot to sell out all the other comic characters to Hollywood in order to create terrible movies about them. The three call themselves collectively “The Producers.” Dogbert can communicate with Dilbert and the Inkblot to determine whom to Erase at night. The Inkblot always has the final say, however.

Jason (FoxTrot): A 10-year-old evil genius out to do nothing more than cause mayhem amongst his family. He knows his way around science, computers, and loves to engineer get-rich-quick schemes. Jason can at any time during the day use his chaos-creating powers to disrupt the voting and end the day instantly. Post the words “The day will soon be over” in bold, and the day will immediately end. If anyone has more than three votes they will be instantly lynched; if not, the day will close with no deaths.

Garfield (Garfield): The classic fat cat, Garfield has been a comics staple for over 25 years. Garfield has few goals in life: namely, sleep, food, and tormenting his housemates, Jon and Odie. Garfield has no special abilities.

Odie (Garfield): Perhaps the stupidest dog in the universe, Odie is often the victim of his housemate Garfield’s nefarious tricks. One thing Odie does have going for him, however, is his fine nose. He can sniff out anybody at night and discover whether they are innocent comic characters or a member of the evil Producers. (Unwritten: Odie is an insane investigator, getting opposite results).

Linus van Pelt (Peanuts): One of the littlest comic characters around but also one of the most long-lasting. Linus is brilliant in theology, literature, history, and philosophy, but he also has some serious psychological problems. He has a compulsive attachment to his baby-blue security blanket and believes fervently in the existence of the Great Pumpkin and the Easter Beagle. Linus is best friends with Charlie Brown, and they know each other’s identities. Linus can use his fantastic reasoning abilities to determine if someone is, in fact, a Producer. However, his constant need for his blanket can be bothersome: if he somehow manages to lose it, he’s going to be far too busy looking for it to bother investigating anyone. Additionally, if he loses his blanket, he’ll employ Charlie Brown to look for it with him, so Charlie Brown’s abilities will cease to work, too. Linus and Charlie Brown can communicate at night if they so desire.

Charlie Brown (Peanuts): Charlie Brown is one of the staples of the comic world. Charlie Brown is the perennial loser: he can’t fly a kite, he can’t the little redheaded girl to notice him, he can’t pitch a winning baseball game, and he can’t ever punt a football if Lucy’s the one holding it! He is, however, one of the most loyal friends a guy can have. The best of Charlie Brown’s friends is Linus van Pelt, the incredibly intelligent (but highly neurotic), blanket-toting kid down the street. Linus and Charlie Brown know each other’s identities. Charlie Brown, being one of the most influential comic characters in the history of the funnies, can use his influence to stop a lynch from occurring once during the course of the game. Linus and Charlie Brown can communicate at night if they so desire.

Snoopy (Peanuts): Easily one of the most beloved comic characters of all time, Snoopy is the ultimate adventure dog. He’s been a cashier, a writer, a baseball player, and, of course, a World War I flying ace. Snoopy belongs to Charlie Brown, but Snoopy knows all he’s good for is putting out the food dish every evening. Snoopy can use his “wartime experience” to take a hostage once during the course of the game at night. They will be unable to use any abilities that night and they will be unable to speak the following day. They will be freed the following night.

The King (Wizard of Id): The hated king of Id who regularly tosses regular peasants into prison and loves to raise taxes to absurd levels. The King is a friend of no one. The King has a hard time dealing with his subjects, so he’s decided to take action. The King may choose a subject at night to Erase once throughout the game in order to aid the other comics.

Jeremy Duncan (Zits): A regular comic teenager with friends, family, and problems. He has plenty of friends, but they’re all just as odd as he is. Jeremy has no special abilities.

The Inkblot: A mysterious presence in the world of Sunday comics. He arrived on the scene in a secretive manner but quickly recruited Dilbert and Dogbert to his evil cause. He has been sent by the evil Hollywood producers to Erase all our favorite comic characters so that the movie studios can make terrible movies about them (like the Garfield movie. *shudder*). If a comic character investigates the Inkblot, he will come up as innocent. The Inkblot, Dilbert, and Dogbert can communicate at night in order to determine whom to Erase. The Inkblot always has the final say, however.

Notes:

I have no idea what Daemon was doing at the beginning of the game. He had no role stipulation to follow anybody's votes.

I'd hand out awards, but honestly this game plodded along with serious inactivity. It was very sad :(

[goddessofnin]

Cool!

I want to know... laurlaur, who did you take hostage?

[Helix]

Nice game everyone, but i have to say, i didn't buy ollie's cop claim ;)
What i think was a mistake is that noone ever asked (or give) a role claim.
The reason i didn't say i was Linus is because bad people where after my blanket :).
But i think things could have gone much better for the town if other people gave their role towards the end.

[StarmanDeluxe]

Cool!

I want to know... laurlaur, who did you take hostage?

She never used that ability.

[olliep13]

Good game everyone. Sorry I had to lynch you goddess.
Hey, Beoneknight and creativemind, what was up with your kills at night? Did you only kill one comic?

[HEffie]

Good job ollie and the mafia...the inactivity was hugely to blame for lack of attention to what was happening.
P.S. Laurlaur is a girl :) .

[Diplomat]

Geez, you guys. It was so obvious that Ollie was lying. I wish I had just announced it before the end of day 5. On the last day you could have at least given Laur a chance to speak, especially when we already established Laur as innocent Oh, well. Thanks for modding, Starman.

[olliep13]

It would have been easy to win before Diplomat re-entered the game since EC never posted. When you arrived, Diplomat, I thought you'd see right through me. That's why I killed you straightaway. I'm glad Laurlaur got three votes before being able to speak cos otherwise i'm sure she would have convinced the others that i was lying. So that was a bit lucky. Oh yeah, before i forget, thanks for modding starmandeluxe

[Diplomat]

I must have reached in new milestone in my Mafia-playing career when the bad guys consider me such a threat. :)

[HEffie]

Well I for one consider you one of the best mafia players...when you're a townie that is...I don't recall you when you were mafia, but I'm sure you'd be good at that too. Anyways, I voted for you as "best townie player" (good at catching bad guys) in the Romanian section for the popularity contest.

[Daemon]

Aside from the fact that this game really and totally dragged, like all the recent english corner games :(, it was kinda fun to watch :) As for my role, I quickly found out I was some inverted investigator (as I suspected from the description) when my investigation died along with me :). The vote following thingie was a nifty trick in my oppinion... at least yall had something to debate about :), and it might have put a strain on whoever i chose to follow, namely radwulf :)

[Diplomat]

Aw, thanks, Hef! :) I see I have 2 nominations for something. Nice!
As a matter of fact, I was mafia in game 44, and my team won. I don't think you were in that one. There's some kind of a trend in the English games where if the discussion gets stagnant, the Mafia tends to win. The opposite tends to happen where the discussion stays lively.

[HEffie]

I think the other one is for best avatar or something:). I actually can't remember which one it was unless you tell me what it was about or the name, but yeah when the game stagnates...mafia wins.
I so felt the temptation to post and tell you Laurlaur was out of town...I knew she wouldn't get to it in time and all the mafia would bandwagon as fast as they could...oh well .

[beoneknight]

Nice job mafia, thanx for modding starman.

To answer your question olliep, on night one we've chosen to go after andreahef. I guess that we may have shot the same person then? On night 2, we got a kill. On the third night, there was a misscomunication about the choice that was sent in, so we were granted 2 kills the following night. On the fourth night I've chosen 2 players (one of whom was you by the way), but i died that night at the hands of mafia, and i guess those kills didnt count then.

Well played everyone... well those who were active anyway, congrats mafia :)

[HEffie]

So why was I the target again?

[Diplomat]

I don't think the reason your night 4 kills didn't count was that you were killed, Beoneknight. My guess is that Snoopy blocked your nighttime activities. It might have turned out better for us if he didn't, though.

[StarmanDeluxe]

Beoneknight's targets were not killed because beoneknight was killed at night as well. That's how I've always run my real-life games. Is that not conventional practice here?

[Diplomat]

No, I don't think that's how it's usually done here. The doctor would get to protect his target, the cop would get his result back on the night he gets killed. So for the mafia, it should work the same way. That's my impression.

[StarmanDeluxe]

Sure, but it seems to me there's a lot more game weight to a kill than an investigation (especially if the investigator can never share his information, being dead).

[HEffie]

None of the times I've played mafia on here was I told, as an investigator,whether my target was innocent or guilty the night that I died. On the contrary...when I noticed that my e-mail inbox was empty and the day was about to start...I could feel that I was dead already:).
If mafia kills someone one night and he in turn gets killed by a vigilante...or a psycho or whatever, I still murder everyone that needs to be murdered unless I've already specified in the rules that it's on a first come, first serve basis or something.

[laurlaur]

Yeah I didn't use my ability.
I was going to use it on Ollie on the last night, but I was on my way out of town to visit my family and with all the Christmas festivities I wasn't able to send in my target in time. I was really surprised that people were so quick to vote me when I was so obviously innocent...oh well. Congrats to the mafia, and to goddess for lasting as long as she did despite the fact that it was obvious she was dirty.

[Daemon]

RMC holds as common practice the use of all abilities of every player at night in a way you could refer to as "simultaneous turn-based". That's because you can't assume for a fact the arbitrary order in which the roles employ their special powers.

Anyway, there's no problem in doing it otherwise, as long as it doesn't leave room for interpretations. I, for one, include the "All results sent at dawn" rule to be sure the players know what kinda game is it.